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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: thomsos on Thursday 13 March 25 13:53 GMT (UK)
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I looking for any help finding a George Williamson born abt 1831 possibly Calton area
Think he marries Jane Peel although can’t find MC
1861 census -
George Williamson 31
Jane Williamson 30
George Williamson 3
William Williamson 9 Mo
Cotton weaver
Addeess - 24 Oswald Street, Calton,
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Name
George Williamson
Male
age 31
birth year 1831
Occupation Weaver
Residence Ozwald st, Glasgow
imprisonment date 1862
Birthplace - Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Prison Glasgow (Duke Street)
NRS Reference
HH21/32/18 p. 48
Jane Williamson/peel Widow Married Daniel Mclaren in 1870 so if I have the correct Jane then Geo must have died 1861-1870
Jane died 1904 both George and Daniel are on her dc.
I have searched all the Geo Williamson’s DC on SP and none of them look like it could be him!
Can anyone give me some advice where to go from here ?
Thank you
Sandra
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A possible for George in 1851 census, noting occupation of all other family members
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14f942f4040b9d6e023c67/george-williamson-1851-lanarkshire-lanark-1828-?locale=en
1841
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e274f4040b9d6ee8d786/george-williamson-1841-lanarkshire-lanark-1828-?locale=en
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Have you looked at the death in 1863 in Shotts?
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Hi,
It could be him in the 1941 but I have no idea who his parent were, i really need to find a marriage or death with Janes name on it!
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I would suggest that they never married, Jane when she Daniel used surname Peel not Williamson.
Believe George & Jane had another son in 1856.
Name John Williamson Peel
Gender Male
Birth Date 29 Aug 1856
Birth Place Bridgeton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Mother
Jane Peel
Birth image shows him as illegitimate.
I would also venture to say that George possibly did not die between 1861-70 and might be found at a later date.
SS
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Do you have the birth certificate for the boys George and William?
What information do they contain about parents?
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Son William is recorded as William Williamson PEEL born 14th July 1860, illegitimate son of Jane Peel.
SS
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Hmm.
1861 census says Jane Williamson was born in Glasgow. 1871, 1881 and 1891 say Jane McLaren was born in Kilmadock ???
1871 Census lists Daniel McLaren; wife Jane, 40; eight children who are presumably Daniel's by a previous marriage, one child of both, but no 13-year-old George and no 10-year-old William Williamson. William Williamson, mmn Peel, died in Bridgeton in 1861, but George W, mmn Peel, 59, died in Springburn in 1922.
She died in 1904, age according to deaths index 62, mmn Moore. That suggests a birth in 1841/1842, so it's probably wrong.
There are two more deaths of Peels, mmn Moore.
Margaret, aged 74, 1907, in Kelvin, other surname Williamson
Elizabeth, aged 73, 1916, in Garngadhill, other surname Telford
Margaret Peel married John Burton Williamson in Bridgeton in 1859, and they had at least 5 children: John 1862, Elizabeth 1864, Ann 1866, Alfred 1869-1869 and Margaret 1870-1872.
Elizabeth Peel married John Telford in 1879 in Dennistoun. They don't appear to have had any children.
It might be useful to look at Margaret's and Elizabeth's marriage and death certificates to see what their mother's name was.
1851 Census in Glasgow: Isaac Peel, 40, born Belfast; wife Constance, 38; daughters Jane, 18; Margaret, 16; Ann, 7; Elizabeth, 7. Could these be Jane and her family? What are the names of Jane's parents, according to her marriage and death certificates?
In 1861 in Glasgow are John Williamson, 38; wife Margaret, 28; daughter Jane, 7; and sisters-in-law Ann and Ely Pall, both 17.
Could John have been a brother of the elusive George? John was aged 47 in the 1871 census. In 1881 in Glasgow are Margaret Williamson, widow, 50, with son John, 19 and daughters Elizabeth and Anne, 19 and 15.
What about George W c1857-1922? In 1881 in Glasgow are George W, 24; wife Annie, 22, son Andrew, 3 and stepson David McLaren, 10. As Annie was clearly too young to be David's mother, this must surely be an error for stepbrother?
George W married Ann Major in Dennistoun in 1880. There's a birth of Andrew W in 1878, mmn not indexed, and births of George W in 1882 and James W in 1884, mmn Major. All three of these boys, plus an Annie Thompson Williamson with mmn Major, died young. Ann Major or Williamson, mmn Thomson, died in 1881 aged 29. George W married Elizabeth Anderson in 1890 and they had at least 5 of a family, including Daniel, born 1890.
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I would suggest that they never married, Jane when she Daniel used surname Peel not Williamson.
Believe George & Jane had another son in 1856.
Name John Williamson Peel
Gender Male
Birth Date 29 Aug 1856
Birth Place Bridgeton,Glasgow,Lanark,Scotland
Mother
Jane Peel
Birth image shows him as illegitimate.
I would also venture to say that George possibly did not die between 1861-70 and might be found at a later date.
SS
Yes i am aware that could be the case I think Jane had a few illegitimate children.
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Forfarian, I have 6 spare credits--what image would you like me to view. :)
Choose wisely!
SS
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I would suggest that they never married
I was also going to suggest that.
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Forfarian, I have 6 spare credits--what image would you like me to view. :)
I think I'd wait until thomsos tells us what Jane's parents' full names are from the birth and death certificates already viewed.
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1851 cencus -Name Jane Peel
Age 18
Estimated Birth Year abt 1833
Relationship Daughter
Father Isaac Peel
Mother Constance Peel
Gender Female
Where born Glasgow, Lanark
Parish Number 622
Civil parish Calton
County Lanarkshire
Address 25 Muslin Street
Occupation Cotton Mill Piecer
Margaret age 16 anne 7 and Elizabeth 7 are on that cencus too
On Janes mc and dc her mum is Christina Moore!
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1841 peel family. Isaac with first wife Christina
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e789f4040b9d6eee71cb/isaac-peel-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1811-?locale=en
1851 Peel family
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a150ec5f4040b9d6e19cb3e/isaac-peel-1851-lanarkshire-barony-1811-?locale=en
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There's a death of Christina Moor or Peel, mmn Holloday, aged 45, in 1856. Unfortunately because it's 1856 it won't give the name of her husband unless it was he who registered the death, but it should give her parents' names and it might contain further clues.
It won't, of course, help in the search for George Williamson's parentage, which is, I think, what thomsos is really looking for?
As for which cert to view with softlysoftly's 6 spare credits?
thomsos said It could be him in the 1941 but I have no idea who his parent were, i really need to find a marriage or death with Janes name on it!
One of the marriage certificates of George W 1857-1922 should list the occupation of George senior, Jane's name, and whether or not George senior was still living. I think I'd go for the first one, to Ann Major.
What does thomsos most want to see?
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Yes its really George i'm most interested in as I have been looking for the last ten years for him!!
Although I must say you have all been very helpful with the info you have given me in such a short time
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On Geo Williamson to Elz Anderson 1890 he has his parents down as Geo Williamson Dec. and Jane Williamson ms Peel, its the same on MC to Ann Major 1880, so according to that he is dec.
Could he have died in a prison?? or fled the country?
He was in Duke street prison for 28 days in 1862 and thats were any trace of him stops
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Could he have died in a prison?? or fled the country?
If he had died in prison in Scotland there should be a death certificate.
So perhaps he emigrated after he was released from prison.
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would it have been easy for him to emigrate? some how I don't think he would have had much money,
did they deported prisoners mid 1800's?
I think we will just never know what happened to him :'(
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If haven't already done so, why not consider getting copies of the documents relating to his imprisonment and see what they tell you? There may also be associated court papers relating to the trial.
A distant relative of mine was transported to Tasmania in 1850, so yes, prisoners were still deported as late as the middle of the 19th century.
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I did, i got a copy from Scottish Indexes it didn't tell me much just - 28 days for disorderly conduct
Male
age 31
birth year 1831
Occupation Weaver
Residence Oswald st, Glasgow
imprisonment date 1862
Birthplace - Glasgow, Lanarkshire
Prison Glasgow (Duke Street)
NRS Reference
HH21/32/18 p. 48
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Ah. I doubt if he'd have been transported for disorderly conduct.
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No I think he was just an old drunk!
Think he was in a few times, actually quite sad when it’s as if he never really existed :'(
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Have you looked at the death in 1863 in Shotts?
Have you looked at and eliminated the death in 1863 in Shotts?
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Have you looked at and eliminated the death in 1879 in Dennistoun?
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Have you looked at and eliminated the death in 1879 in Dennistoun?
yes,
thank you
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I have the 1841 Middle Calton census with an Adam Williamson and Barbara Burton, both born ireland, with 4 children, James 15, John 15, George 10, cant make out the last name age 8
I also have MC 1859 for John Burton Williamson and Margaret Peel
Parents Adam Williamson dec, Barbara Burton alive then but died in 1883 Bridgeton
both of margaret's parents are dec. Isaac Peel and Mary Muir could be Isaac second wife
so looks like Williamson and Peel families new each other
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FreeCen often has fairly reliable transcriptions.
1841 Adam Williamson
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e9a6f4040b9d6ef0b7a2/adam-williamson-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1796-?locale=en
1851 Adam Williamson
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a150e7df4040b9d6e198950/adam-williamson-1851-lanarkshire-barony-1795-?locale=en
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Yes thats them, just the elusive George!!
thank you
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I have the 1841 Middle Calton census with an Adam Williamson and Barbara Burton, both born ireland, with 4 children, James 15, John 15, George 10, cant make out the last name age 8
George is exactly the right age to be the one who was listed with Jane Peel in 1861. However his age is transcribed as 20 by both FreeCEN and SP. Can you post an extract from the cenus showing the family's names and ages?
I also have MC 1859 for John Burton Williamson and Margaret Peel
Parents Adam Williamson dec, Barbara Burton alive then but died in 1883 Bridgeton
both of margaret's parents are dec. Isaac Peel and Mary Muir could be Isaac second wife
In the censuses Jane and Margaret are a few years older than Anne and Elizabeth. It looks to me as if Mary Muir might be Isaac's first wife and Christina/Constance his second wife.
Or possibly Jane got her mother's name wrong when she got married. Was she able to sign her name? If she couldn't read and write, she wouldn't notice an error.
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Jane just her mark X on the mar.
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Re hand writing on census…..
George could be read as 10 or 20. 10 makes sense in the ordering of the ages, but it looks like 20 because of the loop at the start/ top. It is necessary to see more of the page to see how the scribe forms the number 1. Is it written elsewhere with a bit of a loop at the top?
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Another possible for your George in 1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/59027aebe9379091b11cc94c/george-williamson-1851-ayrshire-ayr-1833-?locale=en
Note - Head of house is a "Muirhead" from Ireland.
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Re hand writing on census…..
George could be read as 10 or 20. 10 makes sense in the ordering of the ages, but it looks like 20 because of the loop at the start/ top. It is necessary to see more of the page to see how the scribe forms the number 1. Is it written elsewhere with a bit of a loop at the top?
yes I agree, there's not another 1 like that although some a bit of a scribble
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Would he be a weaver at 10?
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Would he be a weaver at 10?
If he was 20 in 1841 then he wouldn't be my Geo, all the other info I have even though its not a lot show him born around 1830/31
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Would he be a weaver at 10?
Good point. But I think it is supposed to be “winder (ditto) pirns”, as written above. He would have been that at age 10. What is written is “weaver ditto”, which doesn't make sense.
The whole census record / writing is just an incredible mess.
I think that what looks like 20 for George is actually 10 with a flourish to the top of the 1.
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The 3 illegitimate children of Jane Peel and George Williamson born between 1856 and 1860 –
What street address is shown on their birth certificates?
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Prison record 1865 (Duke street prison)
William Williamson age 25 born Carlisle England
Weaver
Oswald Street Glasgow (SAME ADDRESS AS YOUR GEORGE) See clip below.
https://www.scottishindexes.com/prisontranscript.aspx?prisonid=321405727
Birth registration
WILLIAMSON, WILLIAM Mother's maiden name - BURTON
GRO Reference: 1839 D Quarter in CARLISLE Volume 25 Page 58
William is the youngest son of Adam and Barbara Williamson as seen on the census records
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e9a6f4040b9d6ef0b7a2/adam-williamson-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1796-?locale=en
There are quite a few prison records for William at various addresses , 1862 - 1874 ...… ::)
Also , the odd prison records for the other older brothers John and James.
Prison record 1868 (other records in 1866 and 1867 at same address)
William Williamson age 28 born Carlisle England
Weaver
Muslin Street Glasgow (SAME STREET AS HIS MOTHER BARBARA IN 1881 census)
https://www.scottishindexes.com/prisontranscript.aspx?prisonid=321709829
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William was a busy fellow. I wonder what criminal activity he got up to?
Main street in 1862 record is the family address in 1851 census, and his mother’s address in 1861.
Orr street is where his brother John is living in 1871 census.
Brown street - John and George Williamson are there in 1865 valuations
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The daughter Rachel Williamson born Carlisle, England in abt 1835 married James Preston in 1858.
1861 census has them living in Oswald Street.
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Possible death for the father Adam Williamson in 1859, Bridgeton, age 66.
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I think that what looks like 20 for George is actually 10 with a flourish to the top of the 1.
I also thought that might be the case.
There's a hint of just such a flourish in James' age above.
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The 3 illegitimate children of Jane Peel and George Williamson born between 1856 and 1860 –
What street address is shown on their birth certificates?
I don't have their birth cert, William was 1 1/2 yr when he died in 1861 at 41 Ozwald st
I have John Peel Williamson BC 1856 illegitimate mother Jane Peel, can't make out the address,
Between prison and everything else I think they are just all broken people and not a true family :'(
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can't make out the address
If it's a poor quality image, report it to Scotland's People using the 'Report an Issue' button, and they will re-scan it for you.
Or you could post an extract here and see if someone can make it out.
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Possible death for the father Adam Williamson in 1859, Bridgeton, age 66.
Yes that was Adam dc 1859 at 69 Main st, Bridgeton, spouse Rachel Stevenson
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Possible death for the father Adam Williamson in 1859, Bridgeton, age 66.
Yes that was Adam dc 1859 at 69 Main st, Bridgeton, spouse Rachel Stevenson
Spouse should be Barbara Burton. ???
Mother? - Rachel Stevenson?
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Marriage --
BARBARA BURTON
ADAM WILLIAMSON /FR4120 (FR4120)
09/12/1821
622
160 / 40
Barony
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Possible death for the father Adam
Williamson in 1859, Bridgeton, age 66.
Yes that was Adam dc 1859 at 69 Main st, Bridgeton, spouse Rachel Stevenson
Spouse should be Barbara Burton. ???
Mother? - Rachel Stevenson?
Ops, my mistake, think it might be an age thing :-\
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Possible death for the father Adam Williamson in 1859, Bridgeton, age 66.
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Sorry I was using my phone and I seem to be getting into a bit of a muddle, as I said it must be an age thing :-\
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In my opinion, we have now found the correct family, and parents for your George Williamson, and confirmed this through shared addresses on various documents.
George’s parents’ death certificates are both available and should give you the names of George’s grandparents. Are you able to let us know who they are?
We have established that your George was probably never married to Jane Peel, and we haven’t found a death certificate for George.
It is also difficult to see a death in Scotland for his brother William (with the extensive prison records). His other siblings seem to be traceable.
I wonder if George and William ended up moving away (either together or separately) to England, Ireland or further abroad?
That would be something to consider for future research. In my glancing at records, I did notice that some members of the extended Williamson family had gone to Canada & USA.
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I am fairly sure that Adam Williamson had a brother named James also living in Glasgow. There may have been other siblings that you find as you research further.
James Williamson
1841 living in Green Street a few doors away from his brother Adam
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e9a6f4040b9d6ef0b838/james-williamson-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1801-?locale=en
1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a150b7ff4040b9d6e164149/james-williamson-1851-lanarkshire-barony-1798-?locale=en
Note – A niece named Margaret Williamson who might be followed to see if you can find other family connections in Ireland.
In 1861 census – They are still at 34 Clyde St, with the daughter Ellen.
James Williamson died 1st Sept 1866 (age 68) in Calton.
His wife Agnes (nee Shields) died 15 Feb 1863 (age 62) in Calton.
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Thank you so much, you have given me lots to look into, hopefully one of these days I’ll find the illusive Geo