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This is all about the Bennett family who lived in Dudley. There are some minor queries but one much more complex mystery. So here goes :
Edward Bennett was born in 1857 in Stourbridge. In 1883, he married Sarah Nicklin in Tutbury, where their 5 children were born, then between 1896 and 1901 they moved to Dudley, where they all lived in 1901 and 1911 at 18 Himley Road. After Sarah died, he was still there in 1921 but I have found no record of his death.
However, in 1911, his daughter Elizabeth (born 1888) is shown with them at Himley Road but a note says “British subject by parentage”. The same note is applied to her youngest brother Edward aged 14, and also William Bennett, aged 3 and shown as Edward’s nephew born in America - bit none of the others. His birth date is shown as 7.3.08 in the 1939 register, and I found a record showing William Bennett born in Manhattan 7.4.08 so that may be him – but that's all I have i.e.nothing about parents. Back in Dudley in 1911, there is also a niece Sarah, then aged 1 and born in Dudley Port. I have two theories about William and Sarah (though there may be others) :
• They were indeed nephew and niece to Edward, which means that he must have had a brother who emigrated to America then returned to Dudley Port by 1910 and presumably died before the 1911 census, hence they went to live with Edward and his family. I can’t substantiate this further because I can’t find a record of Edward and his parents in 1861, and in 1871 he was living with his own uncle.
• Elizabeth emigrated to America some time between 1901 and 1908, gave birth to William, then returned and had Sarah in Dudley Port – they are recorded as nephew and niece to avoid the “shame” of illegitimacy. But because I can’t find a record for either, showing parent(s), I can’t prove that either. It also seems strange that Edward (Edward Thomas Bennett baptised 1896) would have accompanied Elizabeth when only aged between 5 and 12.
I have access to Familysearch, Ancestry and Findmypast but, for once, none of them have produced anything. So I am hoping to find a Rootschatter who can access either (1) details of Edward’s family to show a brother, (2) birth record for William in America to show parent/s, or (3) emigration / immigration records for Elizabeth, William and maybe Edward. Hence I am kicking this off in the Common Room as it would apply to at least two other categories.
Elizabeth subsequently married twice and had 3 or 4 children with Arthur Paskin (1886-1923) and 1 with Joseph Edward Addison (1881-1953). She died in 1973.
Thanks for your attention!
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Is this Edward in the 1871 census you mentioned
Name Edward Bennett
Sex Male
Age 14
Birth Year (Estimated) 1857
Birthplace Stourbridge, Worcestershire
Marital Status Unknown
Relationship to Head of Household Nephew
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Amblecote, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Name George Bate
Sex Male
Age 35
Birth Year (Estimated) 1836
Birthplace Birmingham, Warwickshire
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Head
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Amblecote, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
Name Maria Bate
Sex Female
Age 34
Birth Year (Estimated) 1837
Birthplace Stambermill, Staffordshire
Marital Status Married
Relationship to Head of Household Wife
Event Type Census
Event Date 1871
Event Place Amblecote, Worcestershire, England, United Kingdom
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Possible William's birth from Family Search site
Name William Bennett
Sex Male
Father's Name Robert Bennett
Mother's Name Martha Curtier Bennett
Event Type Birth
Event Date 07 Apr 1908
Event Place Manhattan, New York, New York, United States
Event Place (Original) Borough of Manhattan, New York
Record Type birth
Source Details cn 20931
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:2WCJ-V9N?lang=en
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Above is attached to a tree that also has this ???
William Francis Bennett
Birth: 7 April 1908 Manhattan, New York City, New York, United States
Death: 4 January 1968
Also if you click on the tree there is a good in depth tree that show parents and siblings.
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/pedigree/landscape/G4XD-CFG
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Possibly Edwards Immigration on Family Search site ???
Name Edward Bennett
Sex Male
Age
Birth Date 1857
Birthplace England
Event Type Immigration
Event Date 1887
Event Place Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Event Place (Original) Philadelphia, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, United States
Affiliate Publication Number T840
Affiliate Publication Title Passenger Lists of Vessels Arriving at Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, 1883-1945
Ship Name British Princess
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:23QQ-HKK?lang=en
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KF8P-26Z?lang=en
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gc1 - many thanks for this. I was very hopeful when I first received your reply, especially with so much detail.
However, it now seems that the William Bennett born on 7.4.08 in Manhattan is not the same as mine, even though the birthdate (shown in the 1939 register) is 7.3.08 and he is shown as born in America. This one died in Sandwell, West Midlands (adjacent to Dudley) in 1978 - his death record shows his birth date.
I don't think the Edward you have found on immigration records is mine as he is shown on all censuses from 1871 onwards in the Dudley area, then Tutbury where he met and married Sarah.
At least you have helped me to eliminate one William, which is always useful to stop false trails. Thanks again,
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From 1871, does any of this seem likely or worth following up?
Birth reg. for Edward 1857, MMN Howell.
George Bate married married Mirah Howell, 1856 Old Swinford.
A Myra Bate is in the newspaper 16 May 1857, charged with assault a long with her sisters Ann Hill and Elizabeth Bennett; there is a marriage in Old Swinford of an Elizabeth Howell to John Bennett 19 Mar 1849, both of Stourbridge.
Father Edward Howell both marriages.
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There is this family 1861 in Birmingham
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tp7/
John and Elizabeth, sons Edward and John
All born Stourbridge except John
Reg for a John Isiah Bennett MMN Howell 1860 Q1 Birmingham
Bennetts from Worcestershire above this household with an Ann Hill visiting...? Elizabeth's sister
Possibly another son Thomas Q4 1862 Birmingham
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Bap. for John Isaiah, address as census but transcribed as Panter Street
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tp8/
Thomas, Bishops Ryder
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tp9/
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Edward's marriage 1883, father John occ bricklayer
https://www.rootschat.com/links/01tpa/
John Isiah marriage Wid. 1895 father John occ bricklayer
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tpb/
A Thomas Howell is a witness
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John Isaiah...first marriage , Tutbury 1889
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tpc/
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1891 Elizabeth wid. with son John and Ellen
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tpe/
1901 Elizabeth, John and second wife Margaret
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tpd/
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Many thanks to willsy for good information which has helped to narrow down the search. It now seems to me that if it is correct that William and Sarah were indeed nephew and niece of Edward, then their father must have been his brother and it looks like there are only two candidates- John (aka John Isaiah with various spellings) and Thomas.
If it's John, then I've found him in 1891 and 1901 in Birmingham, and he died in 1922 in Aston (adjacent to Bham). I haven't found him in 1911 or 1921 so I suppose he might have been gone to America and then returned?
If it's Thomas then I can't find any certain record of him beyond his baptism on 1.1.63, and the most likely record might be the death of a Thomas Bennett aged 5 in 1868. However, that's just a death index record so no indication of parents.
It would help if the 1871 and/or 1881 census records could be found for John and Elizabeth, together with their sons John I and maybe Thomas. Their eldest son Edward was living with George and Mira Bates at this time. John senior had died by 1891 as Elizabeth is shown as a widow.
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John 1911
25 Eva Road Winson Green Birmingham
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tpk/
Address will help for the other census you are missing before his death
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If you have a look at the Worcester burials, Elizabeth Bennett is buried at Old Swinford, 3 Nov 1905, abode 25 Alma Road, Birmingham...1901 census
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There's a military record for John, attested 2 May 1882, North Staffordshire Regiment, no.335,
mother Elizabeth, Birmingham.
Has details of marriage to Ellen Ryder.
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Unless anyone has discovered something new, I think I have taken this as far as I can now. Edward's brother Thomas (born 1863) has not been found and I am assuming that he died in infancy. That means that William and Sarah were not the nephew and niece of Edward. They may have been cousins and perhaps they were not minded to explain a more distant relationship to the enumerator.
Thanks for the help - and now on to the next mystery!