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Title: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 01:29 GMT (UK)
Good Morning Everyone , i was wondering if you could help as i feel like ive exhausted ancestry and am now completely stuck  and struggling to answer some questions on the family! Any help would be massively appreciated

The Main questions are :
- confirmation of marriage certificate
-establishing when he moved to the UK from North Bay, Nipissing , Ontario, Canada
- Confirm if any other children apart from Glenn

William  Thompson (Grandad) was born on 09/04/1910 in Canada.He is recorded in the 1911 Census as residing in Nipissing , also within the 1921 census , at this point he is listed as a scholar, He married Ellen Grace Bland in January 1953 in Islington , so appears to have returned to the UK at some point between 1921 and 1953 but i cant find anything. He passed away in 1973/1974  in London.

He had two brothers in canada (scottish nationality) Gordon Lawson Thompson born in April 1908 in Ontario, he was married on 12/11/1930  to Dorothy Marie Galbraith, Dorothy was from York Country in Ontario, i dont have any further information on when gordon died and if he had any children. Harry Thompson born in April 1906 in Ontario , no further details could be found on him

Their father was James Thompsonm (Great Grandfather) birth: 02/12/1864, born in india but scottish, moved to canada in 1882 and married in 1903  Kathleen/Catherine and records show her last name recorded 3 ways  Franklin/Faughnan/Turney (Great Grandmother), she was born in pembroke, Ontario, (more details on her below).
He passed away on 03/04/1925 at 29 Main Street, West,  and died due to angina Pectoris , He is buried in North Bay St. Mary's Cemetery (Roman Catholic Church ). He was buried 06/04/1925 in Block C, Plot 79, Grave 2.


Kathleen (Great grandmother) was born in July 1881, date unknown, When looking at Kathleen her last name is unclear in terms of Maiden Name , there are two potentials :

Kathleen Franklin : this maiden name is on Gordons  Marriage certificate to Dorothy as the details of the bridegrooms mother, however it is noted that the witnesses appears to have the other questionable last name ‘ Mr James Turney and Miss Gar…. Turney’ (potentially an  uncle/aunt?)

Kathleen Faughnan- this name is used in the obituary for James and also states she resides in Pembroke, Ontario.


Harry Thompson (Great Great Grandad) was born in Scotland  (DOB unknown and no further details at this time, he would have gone to india at some point)

According to James Thompsons (Great Grandad)records his mother is called Mary (Great Great Grandmother) and she was born in Scotland, however according to his death certificate her surname was unknown, her father was  born in Ireland and her mother in scotland


Any help would be so appreciated !
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 12 March 25 08:44 GMT (UK)
Your opening quote
"Good Morning Everyone , i was wondering if you could help as i feel like i've exhausted ancestry and am now completely stuck  and struggling to answer some questions on the family! Any help would be massively appreciated"

It would appear you have access to Ancestry website. I would suggest you contact this person via Ancestry whom I believe to be a daughter of William/James & Ellen.

When they married in 1953 he was William J Thompson

Also it's rootschat policy not to name any possible living people. Please modify your post and remove the name of the son. There were 3 other children besides him.

Deaths Jun 1974   

THOMPSON    JAMES WILLIAM    9AP1906    LONDON CITY    14   892

https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/person/tree/83804129/person/48488045157/facts

SS
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 09:17 GMT (UK)
Thankyou so muchm i had looked at this persons tree previouslybut youre right it may be worth popping them a message :) , all the individuals on the message have sadly passed away  i believe
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 12 March 25 10:15 GMT (UK)
This is a bit confusing

Ancestry has Ontario Births

James Henry THOMPSON born 6 April 1906. So that date nearly matches the 1974 death of William James/James William
Father James THOMPSON
Mother Katie FAUGHLAN  (transcribed as Taughlan)

Baptism of James Henry  born 6 April 1906, bap 19th April 1906
Parents James Thompson & Catherine Faughnan

1921 census has Harry age 15 so born 1906
Gordon age 13. (He was baptised as Joseph Gordon & born 10 Dec 1907. Not April 1908. Mother Catherine Faughnan, father James Lawson Thompson, marries as you say as Gordon Lawson Thompson)
William age 11. So born 1910

In 1926
James Harry Thompson age 20 crosses to USA. He is an electrician

Departure contact an   Aunt Mrs. William Morgion
Arrival contact another Aunt  Mrs M. Stover


So is the person who married Ellen Grace, William born 1910 or his brother James Henry born 6 April 1906?

(Added.i don’t think there is any doubt Catherine/Katie’s surname is FAUGHNAN)
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 12 March 25 10:25 GMT (UK)
What does the 1953 marriage certificate say?
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 10:35 GMT (UK)
I dont have a copy of the marriage certificate just the marriage index  for marriages registered in jan/feb/march 1953 in Islington
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 12 March 25 10:41 GMT (UK)
This is a bit confusing

Ancestry has Ontario Births

James Henry THOMPSON born 6 April 1906. So that date matches the 1974 death of William James/James William


death index has 9th April for birthdate
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 12 March 25 10:51 GMT (UK)
This is a bit confusing

Ancestry has Ontario Births

James Henry THOMPSON born 6 April 1906. So that date matches the 1974 death of William James/James William


death index has 9th April for birthdate

Oops, I’ve modified post to say “nearly”. I shouldn’t be doing this after lights out!
Wish I could see his baptism/birth
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 12 March 25 11:13 GMT (UK)
I dont have a copy of the marriage certificate just the marriage index  for marriages registered in jan/feb/march 1953 in Islington

I think that you really need that marriage certificate.  :-\.  I can't see any mention in newspapers or elsewhere to confirm the details of his father and possible witnesses
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 12 March 25 11:41 GMT (UK)
I agree that marriage cert is the way to go. Just pointing out that the tree I posted a link too has the same christian name as one of the 4 children.

SS
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 12 March 25 11:46 GMT (UK)
I thought I have identified Ellen Grace Bland in 1939, b 1920 living in Islington. But it hasn't got her surname altered to a married name as you would expect if she married in 1953 while the NHS were maintaining the register. She gave birth to several children, surely she would have registered with an NHS doctor  ???
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 11:54 GMT (UK)
Any ideas on how else to get one if not on ancestry , ive looked on the islington councilwebsite but no luck :/

also if anyone else has any other information on this family to assist :)

-establishing when he moved to the UK from North Bay, Nipissing , Ontario, Canada
- Confirm if any other children apart from Glenn
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 12 March 25 11:57 GMT (UK)
I thought I have identified Ellen Grace Bland in 1939, b 1920 living in Islington. But it hasn't got her surname altered to a married name as you would expect if she married in 1953 while the NHS were maintaining the register. She gave birth to several children, surely she would have registered with an NHS doctor  ???

My mothers name was not altered on the 1939 either.  She did marry my father and was definitely registered with the NHS  ;D
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:00 GMT (UK)
Any ideas on how else to get one if not on ancestry , ive looked on the islington councilwebsite but no luck :/


Certificates are available from the GRO
https://www.gro.gov.uk

You will need the details to order it which you can see on freebmd
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:00 GMT (UK)
This is a bit confusing

Ancestry has Ontario Births

James Henry THOMPSON born 6 April 1906. So that date nearly matches the 1974 death of William James/James William
Father James THOMPSON
Mother Katie FAUGHLAN  (transcribed as Taughlan)

Baptism of James Henry  born 6 April 1906, bap 19th April 1906
Parents James Thompson & Catherine Faughnan

1921 census has Harry age 15 so born 1906
Gordon age 13. (He was baptised as Joseph Gordon & born 10 Dec 1907. Not April 1908. Mother Catherine Faughnan, father James Lawson Thompson, marries as you say as Gordon Lawson Thompson)
William age 11. So born 1910

In 1926
James Harry Thompson age 20 crosses to USA. He is an electrician

Departure contact an   Aunt Mrs. William Morgion
Arrival contact another Aunt  Mrs M. Stover


So is the person who married Ellen Grace, William born 1910 or his brother James Henry born 6 April 1906?

(Added.i don’t think there is any doubt Catherine/Katie’s surname is FAUGHNAN)


hmmm so i didnt have a james henry thompson as the family only had listed 3 brothers william/ gordon and harry , their dad was james thompson but he was born in 1864 and died in 1925 (verified)

ellen grace bland (1920-1967) married william thompson (1910-1974), the married in islington ,london , ukl
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:03 GMT (UK)
I thought I have identified Ellen Grace Bland in 1939, b 1920 living in Islington. But it hasn't got her surname altered to a married name as you would expect if she married in 1953 while the NHS were maintaining the register. She gave birth to several children, surely she would have registered with an NHS doctor  ???

so this would make sense with the ellen grace bland in my tree, she was born on 11th october 1920 in islington and remained living around that area but in terms of children , im only aware of glenn and couldnt find details on others so intereesting to see she has several , where did you find this :)
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:07 GMT (UK)
If you go to https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl
search births with surname Thompson and mother's maiden name Bland in Islington, you will find 4 including the one you mentioned. Already mentioned in reply #1 and #9 by SS
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:13 GMT (UK)
I thought I have identified Ellen Grace Bland in 1939, b 1920 living in Islington. But it hasn't got her surname altered to a married name as you would expect if she married in 1953 while the NHS were maintaining the register. She gave birth to several children, surely she would have registered with an NHS doctor  ???

My mothers name was not altered on the 1939 either.  She did marry my father and was definitely registered with the NHS  ;D

Just checked my Mum on the 1939 register and she's not been altered either.! Definitely married - got the cert and photos. Never seen Dad look so nervous - my maternal grandmother was a formidable woman !
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:22 GMT (UK)
Couple of questions for us all, can anyone find Ellen's actual death registration and whilst we have births between 1954-62 all in Islington I cannot for the life of me find them on electoral registers.

SS

added, possibly on electoral register in 1954 at 22 Elmore St, Islington, James & Ellen G, also in household is a Rose L Bland whom I believe is Ellen's mother re war register.
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: rosie99 on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:28 GMT (UK)
Couple of questions for us all, can anyone find Ellen's actual death registration

Reply deleted as next post makes more sense  ;D
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:30 GMT (UK)
There's a Helen G Thomson age 47 in 1967 in Hackney. Closest I can find
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: LizzieL on Wednesday 12 March 25 12:41 GMT (UK)


added, possibly on electoral register in 1954 at 22 Elmore St, Islington, James & Ellen G, also in household is a Rose L Bland whom I believe is Ellen's mother re war register.
1964 - 10 years later, Rose L Bland still at no 22, other occupants James and Kathleen Smith
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 13:04 GMT (UK)
This looks to be your Faughnan Family in 1901 Nipissing. Ontario,  Believe the father Bernard Faughnan passed away probably 1898.


John J Faughnan 24 Head
Catherine Faughnan 44 Mother
Catherine Faughnan   20   Sister
Mary E Faughnan 18 Sister
Ann M Faughnan 16 Sister
Bernard P. Faughnan 11 Brother
Julia I Faughnan 10 Sister
Teressa B Faughnan 8 Sister
Fannie Faughnan 5 Sister
James P Faughnan 2 Brother

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KHL2-P2K?lang=en

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 13:06 GMT (UK)
Mother Kate and sister (Julia) Ida are on the 1911 census Nipissing Ontario

Samuel Leroy 35 Head
Annie Leroy 26 Wife
Gertrude Leroy 7 Daughter
Simon Leroy 4 Son
Lornie Leroy 8/12 Son
Kate Lerney 55 Mother. Widowed.
Ida Fangman   21   Sister


Sister Annie marriage to Samuel Leroy.  7 January 1903

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZBP-ZXX?lang=en


Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 13:10 GMT (UK)

Sister (Julia) Ida Faughnan marriage

Ida Faughnan 1891 Bonfield Ontario  - married aged 21 years -
Marriage Date   26 Nov 1912
Marriage Place   Nipissing District, Nipissing, Ontario, Canada
Spouse    Frederick Robison
Father    Bernart Faughnan
Mother    Catherine Tierney

Ida (Faughnan) Robison passed in 1925.

Ida Robison - 1891 Pembroke Ontario  - 8 August 1925 (aged 34 years)
Death Place   Nipissing, Ontario, Canada
Cause of Death   Natural Causes - Verdict of Coroners Jury.
Father Barnard Faughnan and mother Catherine Tierney Faughnan.
Name of the informant Mrs James Thompson. Sister.

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 13:24 GMT (UK)

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9H-MKCZ?lang=en


Looks very probable -James Harry Thompson - 1907 North Bay - 31 May 1941  (aged 34 years)
Marriage Place   North Bay, Nipissing, Ontario, Canada
Spouse    Marietta Jeannette Cataford
Father    Harry James Thompson
Mother    Catheline Fontland

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 13:24 GMT (UK)

North Bay Nugget
North Bay, Ontario, Canada 
Fri, 20 Jul 1956
Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/article/north-bay-nugget/167799857/

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 13:56 GMT (UK)

Kathleen Thompson - passed 1927

Kathleen Thompson - 1887    L'Isle-aux-Allumettes, Quebec
Death Date   4 Apr 1927  (aged 40 years)
Death Place   Nipissing, Ontario, Canada
Cause of Death   Diabetes Mellitus Chronic
Informant Harry Thompson. 32 Oak Street West.
Father Bernard Faughnan and mother Kathleen Turney (as typed)

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 15:11 GMT (UK)
oh wow loads to look at , apologioes all work was crazy busy so couldnt respond , looks like i have an evening of deep diving !! thankyuou all so much for your help , ill repost with what i confirm and if i need any help from you superheroes!
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: softly softly on Wednesday 12 March 25 16:15 GMT (UK)
Info for back burner

Possibly James and Ellen @ 85, Elizabeth Avenue, Islington from 1957-60, and then Ellen only 1962-64. Wonder if they separated.

SS
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 12 March 25 19:07 GMT (UK)

hmmm so i didnt have a james henry thompson as the family only had listed 3 brothers william/ gordon and harry , their dad was james thompson but he was born in 1864 and died in 1925 (verified)

ellen grace bland (1920-1967) married william thompson (1910-1974), the married in islington ,london , ukl

Harry is a common name for Henry.   
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Wednesday 12 March 25 19:23 GMT (UK)
Can anyone with a newspapers.com sub see the obit for Jeanette Andrews in The Nugget of 5 Jun 1986?
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 20:03 GMT (UK)


The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada 
Sun, 1 Jun 1986
Page 8

https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/167827643/

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Wednesday 12 March 25 20:08 GMT (UK)

with photograph.


North Bay Nugget
North Bay, Ontario, Canada
Thu, 5 Jun 1986
Page 2

https://www.newspapers.com/article/north-bay-nugget/167827903/

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 20:15 GMT (UK)
This is Amazong thank you so much , i came straight home from work and have been verifying and trying to link bits up but you are 100000% more efficient ( im a newbie ! ) i have just ordered a takeaway for a long night of family research !! ;D
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 13 March 25 01:52 GMT (UK)
Daily Nugget of 20 Jul 1956 has death of Harry Thompson.
So that does rule him out as being the same man as the one in Islington. Phew!
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Thursday 13 March 25 02:04 GMT (UK)
Charlotte. Do you know what William’s occupation was?
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: polarbear on Thursday 13 March 25 17:15 GMT (UK)
Link to a similar thread on the Canada board with other info…

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890082.new#new

PB

Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Thursday 13 March 25 23:48 GMT (UK)
Link to a similar thread on the Canada board with other info…

https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890082.new#new

PB

this is also me but great spot :)
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Thursday 13 March 25 23:50 GMT (UK)
Charlotte. Do you know what William’s occupation was?

which william, it seems as if my family like to recycle names as last and middle names just to keep it interesting lol ?  this is all i have on grandad william:

William  J (James?) Thompson  was born on 09/04/1910 (or potentially 04/09/1910) in North Bay , Nipissing Canada.  I can’t find a copy of his birth certificate at this time, According to his fathers obituary his nickname was ‘Willie’.
He is recorded in the 1911 Census as residing in North Bay, Nipissing , he was living with his father , mother and two brothers, there was also two females there Irese (18) and Mary (12) Laughman  but Irese is listed as a maid.
In the 1921 census he is still residing in Northbay at 35 Sherbrook, google maps have a Sherbrooke street in North Bay, at this point he is listed as a scholar, he would be 11 so in school at the time ,  by these point Irese and Mary are no longer with them
His father passed away when he 14/15 .
From this point (1921-1953) I’ve lost track of grandad however we know at some point during this period that he returned to the UK , he potentially worked as a printer.
A letter was issued from Pierre Elliot Trudeau (15th prime minister of Canada) surrounding Williams hopes to return to Canada , this letter is dated 12/06/1970 and I will touch on this in a bit , but in this letter  it states that William came to the UK during the second world war (approx. 1939-1945) and remained here.
He was initially married to another woman (name unknown at this point and they had a son who would have been born around 1949
He then re- married Ellen Grace Bland in January 1953 in Islington. The index card states January but would need to order a marriage certificate. They had 4 children, Brett, Selina, Denise and Glen.
In 1954 he moved in to Elmore Street and lived with Ellen and his mother in law Rose.
In 1957  they were potentially living at 102 Naish Court, Pembrok Street , Islington (LEFT), also living here were violent and ernest Thompson (relation unknown and need to verify to ensure correct record as a little bit of an anomaly although correct area and coupling )

Approximately 9 years later in 1962 their son Glen was born, his wife  died in 1967 when glen was around 5/6 .
Going back to the letter by Prime Minister Trudea, he  speaks of williams hopes to return to Canada with the children however this was dependant on the immigration pools, at the time Glen was working as a machinist and bulldozer operator
According to family letters from social services she passed away due to bronchial issues, Ellen unfortunately passed away  on 15th December 1967 when your dad was roughly 5 years old and William ( his father ) passed when he was around 11 .
Their eldest son Brett was admitted to Stamford House remand Home on 07/06/1968 due to appearing at Juvenille court on 21/06/1968, the report from the home speaks fondly of home , describing him as small in nature  and low intelligence (that of a 7 year old), he was not doing well at school but this was the oppositie in the home (RIGHT- Stamford House remand home)
His psychiatric report reiterates mucht the same, giving the image of a young, anxious physically but not emotionally deprived boy who was kicking out at school and in life due to grief and missing his mother
Social services reports on 6/6/1968 show that the family were receiving home help to assist as William was having to work such long hours and that they increased this to help the family along
Social services report on 03/10/1968 discloses that the family were living in poor conditions , commenting on the residence having no hot water, being damp and poky and the property was visited by the Public health department. The report from the department on 19/07/1968 also confirmed that their son brett had asthmas and bronchitis aggravated by the living conditions
The report on 3/10/1968 outlines the hardship the family faced and that William was working long hours in a bid to keep the family together and comments on the strong family feeling, it was previously suggested about the children being received into care but opposed due to the fact that it would result in losing both their mother and father in a very short time. It is noted in all reports that William was a loving caring hard working father who was just struggling to cope with the children after his wifes death , albeit desperate to keep them together.
William passed away approx 6 years after his wife, He passed away 29/05/1974 at St Batholemews hospital in Smithfeld  in London,  he was living at 24 watersville mansions , islington at the time of his death and employed as a telephonist (death certificate) death was informed by son brett james thompson, cause of death was a coronary occlusion,atherosclerosis and hypertension, the death was registered on 31/05/1974
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: polarbear on Friday 14 March 25 01:11 GMT (UK)
Hi again…

You find Williams baptism info on your other thread. There will be no certificate, just the church record. Quebec didn’t have civil registration at that point in time. He was born 09 Apr 1909.

PB
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 14 March 25 06:33 GMT (UK)

Sister (Julia) Ida Faughnan marriage

Ida Faughnan 1891 Bonfield Ontario  - married aged 21 years -
Marriage Date   26 Nov 1912
Marriage Place   Nipissing District, Nipissing, Ontario, Canada
Spouse    Frederick Robison
Father    Bernart Faughnan
Mother    Catherine Tierney

Ida (Faughnan) Robison passed in 1925.

Ida Robison - 1891 Pembroke Ontario  - 8 August 1925 (aged 34 years)
Death Place   Nipissing, Ontario, Canada
Cause of Death   Natural Causes - Verdict of Coroners Jury.
Father Barnard Faughnan and mother Catherine Tierney Faughnan.
Name of the informant Mrs James Thompson. Sister.

Sandra

Mother Kate and sister (Julia) Ida are on the 1911 census Nipissing Ontario

Samuel Leroy 35 Head
Annie Leroy 26 Wife
Gertrude Leroy 7 Daughter
Simon Leroy 4 Son
Lornie Leroy 8/12 Son
Kate Lerney 55 Mother. Widowed.
Ida Fangman   21   Sister


Sister Annie marriage to Samuel Leroy.  7 January 1903

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KZBP-ZXX?lang=en


Sandra

Ida Faughnan/Robison sister of Catherine/Kathleen Faughnan

North Bay Nugget
North Bay, Ontario, Canada 
Tue, 11 Aug 1925
Page 3

https://www.newspapers.com/article/north-bay-nugget/167941115/

https://www.newspapers.com/article/north-bay-nugget/167941151/

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 14 March 25 06:36 GMT (UK)

For information this is the obituary of James Thompson which op refers to

North Bay Nugget
North Bay, Ontario, Canada 
Tue, 7 Apr 1925
Page 12

https://www.newspapers.com/article/north-bay-nugget/167941175/

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 14 March 25 06:44 GMT (UK)
Not South Wales or India, but I’ve been contemplating this birth

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
THOMSON, JAMES  LAWSON     LAWSON 
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 466
 
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 14 March 25 07:20 GMT (UK)
Not South Wales or India, but I’ve been contemplating this birth

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
THOMSON, JAMES  LAWSON     LAWSON 
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 466

We might be able to discount this one - seems to marry in Liverpool in 1888 and passed away Merseyside 1944.

James Lawson Thomson - 1865 - marriage aged 23 years
Marriage Date   15 Nov 1888 Toxteth, St Michael in the Hamlet, Lancashire
Father   James Day Collis Thomson
Spouse    Esther Elizabeth Knott


James Lawson Thomson - 1865 - 1944  (aged 79 years)
Burial Place   Merseyside, England
Cemetery   Toxteth Park Cemetery
Cemetery Section   Church of England


Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 14 March 25 07:25 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that Sandra.
I hadn't got around to following him up.  Shame though.
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 14 March 25 10:54 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that Sandra.
I hadn't got around to following him up.  Shame though.

No problem.  I am a little suspicious of "India" myself.  Did you notice that on the marriage certificate for James Harry Thompson - bottom left hand corner :-  Birthplace of Bridegrooms father :-  "5 miles from Ireland on the sea"

Sandra






Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 14 March 25 11:13 GMT (UK)
No problem.  I am a little suspicious of "India" myself.  Did you notice that on the marriage certificate for James Harry Thompson - bottom left hand corner :-  Birthplace of Bridegrooms father :-  "5 miles from Ireland on the sea"

Sandra

No! That’s very specific isn’t it.
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: *Sandra* on Friday 14 March 25 11:22 GMT (UK)
Probably a red-herring but..........Drawn to the 1891 Canadian Census Finlayson and Peck, Nipissing, Ontario, Canada.

John Thompson   22 years old - born Ireland. Father and Mother born Ireland.
Not sure if "rafteman" is a craftsman - not quite something can relate to hotel industry yet.

Sandra
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Friday 14 March 25 23:47 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that Sandra.
I hadn't got around to following him up.  Shame though.

No problem.  I am a little suspicious of "India" myself.  Did you notice that on the marriage certificate for James Harry Thompson - bottom left hand corner :-  Birthplace of Bridegrooms father :-  "5 miles from Ireland on the sea"

Sandra

i didnt but i havnt had sight of the marriage certificate as i couldnt find it  if you have a link that would be great !
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Friday 14 March 25 23:49 GMT (UK)
Not South Wales or India, but I’ve been contemplating this birth

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
THOMSON, JAMES  LAWSON     LAWSON 
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 466

so other documents ive seen have his mother potentially listed as mary ann lawson which would fit with the names prescence in the family
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 14 March 25 23:56 GMT (UK)
Here is a link to the marriage registration of James Harry THOMPSON  and Marietta Jeannette Cataford

Search for one of their names in the Ontario, Canada, Marriages, 1826-1942 data set on Ancestry.
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: mckha489 on Friday 14 March 25 23:56 GMT (UK)
Not South Wales or India, but I’ve been contemplating this birth

Name:   Mother's Maiden Surname:
THOMSON, JAMES  LAWSON     LAWSON 
GRO Reference: 1865  M Quarter in WEST DERBY AND TOXTETH PARK  Volume 08B  Page 466

so other documents ive seen have his mother potentially listed as mary ann lawson which would fit with the names prescence in the family

No, this one was ruled out reply #44
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: polarbear on Saturday 15 March 25 00:05 GMT (UK)
The marriage record for James Harry Thompson and Marietta Jeanette Cataford should also be on the familysearch website which is free to use in case you don’t have access to Canadian records on ancestry.

PB
Title: Re: William Thompson and Ellen Grace Bland 1900's Islington Area
Post by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 18 June 25 13:16 BST (UK)
Is anyone able to help im really stuck as to the Thompson line on my family tree and stuck at my 2nd great grandparents and i know some of you are absolute amazing at this whereas i feel like i've run out of avenues!

I dont have anything on James from before coming to canada in i believe 1882 and cannot find anything on his parents. Ann help would be massively appreciated as without knowing anything on his parents im stuck :(

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James Thompson (great grandfather ) parents are Harry or Henry  Thompson (2nd Great Grandfather) and Mary Ann Lawson (2nd great Grandmother) Harry Thompson (Great Great Grandad) was born in Scotland  (DOB unknown and no further details)

According to James records his mother is called Mary Ann Lawson (Great Great Grandmother) and she was born in Scotland, her father was  born in Ireland and her mother in scotland. I dont have any siblings i could find.

Here is what i have on their son James Thompson :

Harry and Mary gave birth to James Thompson (Great Grandfather)  on 02/12/1864, according to his death certificate and census records he was  born in India. However his obituary says he was born in South Wales. And his marriage certificate says was born in Ireland, his sons marriage certificate he has inputted that he was born 5 miles from Ireland in the sea which makes more sense as to my limited records.

His death certificate confirms that he emigrates to Ontario 40 years before his death and in the 1921 census it confirms he emigrated in 1882, I’ve checked on the canadian gov records website and on their passenger lists , there were 3 james thompsons who came in 1882: 1/ 2- on the Nova Scotian ship via halifax on 1882-12-00 3- On the Brooklyn ship via Quebec on 22/5/1882

According to history notes at this time this was the year of significant change , improvement in infrastructure within Nipissing, The Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) arrived in 1882,

He married Kathleen/Catherine  Faughnan (Great Grandmother) in 1904 , according to the registrars record he was 34 at the time and she was 23 , he was born in  Ireland and she was born in Toronto, he is recorded as a hotel keeper at this time which fits with what we know of his work in the hotel industry, his father is logged as henry Thompson and mary ann lawson and her parents are logged as Bernard Faughnan and Catherine Tierney

Harry (grand uncle), Gordon (grand uncle) and William  (Grandad) were all born between 1906-1910.

When he was 40 years old he is recorded on the 1911 Canadian census as residing at 35 Sherbrook, North Bay, he was head of the household and worked as a hotel clerk at the time. He resided here with his with Catherine Thompson/ Kathleen Thompson, (29), Harry Thompson (5) , Gordon Thompson (3) and William Thompson (2). They also had an Irese Faughnan (18)residing with them , she is listed as sister however there are no other records of there being a sister in the family and her occupation is listed as Maid. This is likely a relative as his wifes maiden name is faughnan

All children are listed as being born in Ontario and all of the family are listed as being Irish Roman Catholics with Canadian Nationality

His obituary states that he opened a billiards room (left) on the Queens block facing main street, based on the location and internet searched the primary building with the curved top is where this would have been , it was a hardware shop and the owners would rent out multiple spaces to other business and this is where the billards hall would have been , at the time they were a bit of a taboo due to the gambling issues etc. The site is now called the Block and is a public house.

He passed away on 03/04/1925  at the age of 60 years old, according to his death certificate he passed away at 29 Main Street, West,  and died due to angina Pectoris ( Angine/Stroke/Heart Problems).

He is buried in North Bay St. Mary's Cemetery (Roman Catholic Church ). He was buried 06/04/1925 in Block C, Plot 79, Grave 2