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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Canada Lookup Request => Topic started by: charlottebovill on Wednesday 12 March 25 01:21 GMT (UK)
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Good Morning Everyone , i was wondering if you could help as i feel like ive exhausted ancestry and am now completely stuck and due to being in the UK struggling to answer some questions on the family and work out where i can take the line from here.
The Main questions are :
- confirming where james travelled in to canada from so i can try and work out a birth certificate to establish him mum/dads details
-marriage certificate and confirm actual details of his wife so i can explore that geneology line
- find out when harry and gordon died and if they have any children
-establish when William left canada to marry ellen
Harry Thompson (Great Great Grandad) was born in Scotland (DOB unknown and no further details at this time, he would have gone to india at some point)
According to James Thompsons (Great Grandad)records his mother is called Mary (Great Great Grandmother) and she was born in Scotland, however according to his death certificate her surname was unknown, her father was born in Ireland and her mother in scotland
James Thompson (Great Grandfather) birth: 02/12/1864, according to his death certificate and census records he was born in India. However his obituary says he was born in South Wales.
His death certificate confirms that he emigrated to Ontario and in the 1921 census it confirms he emigrated in 1882, I’ve checked on the canadian gov records website and on their passenger lists , there were 3 james thompsons who came in 1882:
1/ 2- on the Nova Scotian ship via halifax on 1882-12-00
3- On the Brooklyn ship via Quebec on 22/5/1882
I cant work out which one and whether he travelled from India or from the UK :/
According to history notes at this time was the introduction of the The Canadian Pacific Railway (CPR) in 1882,
He married in 1903 but i cant find a marriage certificate and there are multiple spellings of her name as Kathleen/Catherine and records show her last name recorded 3 ways Franklin/Faughnan/Turney (Great Grandmother), she was born in pembroke, Ontario, (more details on her below)
When he was 40 years old he is recorded on the 1911 Canadian census as residing at 35 Sherbrook, North Bay, with his with Catherine Thompson/ Kathleen Thompson, (29), and 3 children Harry Thompson (5) , Gordon Thompson (3) and William Thompson (2).
All children are listed as being born in Ontario and all of the family are listed as being Irish Roman Catholics with Canadian Nationality.
His obituary states that he opened a billiards room (left) on the Queens block facing main street,
He passed away on 03/04/1925 at 29 Main Street, West, and died due to angina Pectoris , He is buried in North Bay St. Mary's Cemetery (Roman Catholic Church ). He was buried 06/04/1925 in Block C, Plot 79, Grave 2.
Kathleen (Great grandmother) was born in July 1881, date unknown, When looking at Kathleen her last name is unclear in terms of Maiden Name , there are two potentials :
Kathleen Franklin : this maiden name is on Gordons Marriage certificate to Dorothy as the details of the bridegrooms mother, however it is noted that the witnesses appears to have the other questionable last name ‘ Mr James Turney and Miss Gar…. Turney’ (potentially an uncle/aunt?)
Kathleen Faughnan- this name is used in the obituary for James and also states she resides in Pembroke, Ontario.
In regards to their sons:
Gordon Lawson Thompson born in April 1908 in Ontario, he was married on 12/11/1930 to Dorothy Marie Galbraith, Dorothy was from York Country in Ontario, i dont have any further information on when gordon died and if he had any children
Harry Thompson born in April 1906 in Ontario , no further details could be found on him
William Thompson (Grandad) was born on 09/04/1910 in Canada.He is recorded in the 1911 Census as residing in Nipissing , also within the 1921 census , at this point he is listed as a scholar, He married Ellen Grace Bland in January 1953 in Islington , so appears to have returned to the UK at some point between 1921 and 1953 but i cant find anything. He passed away in 1973/1974 in London.
Any help would be so appreciated !
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Hello and a warm welcome to RootsChat.
I agree with the poster on your other thread that the surname of Catherine/Kathleen is probably
Faughnan or something close to that.
Here is the marriage of James and Catherine. This is the Registrar’s copy. Image available on ancestry on 2 consecutive pages.
It provides James’ mothers maiden name for you.
James Thompson
Age 34
Residence when married North Bay
Place of birth Ireland
Bachelor
Occupation Hotel Keeper
Names of parents Henry Thompson and Mary Ann Lawson
To
Catherine Faughner
Age 23
Residence when married Toronto
Place of birth Toronto
Spinster
Names of parents Bernard Faughner and Catherine Tierney
Witnesses (?) Moffit of North Bay and Jessie Rafferty of Toronto
On 10 Oct 1904 at Toronto
By Licence
Married by J J McCann
Religious designation for both is RC
Date of registration 13 Oct 1904
On the subject of children for Gordon…
Canada has strict privacy laws and most births are protected for 100 years or more. One would need to look for newspaper notices of births or parents deaths, or other means to learn about children.
You now have Harry’s death and other info on your other thread.
I am going to link your other thread here.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890084.9
PB
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Harry Thompson born in April 1906 in Ontario , no further details could be found on him
See reply 25 and 26 on the other thread - shows the marriage and obit for Harry /James Henry Thompson.
James Harry Thompson - 1907 North Bay - 31 May 1941 (aged 34 years)
Marriage Place North Bay, Nipissing, Ontario, Canada
Spouse Marietta Jeannette Cataford
Father Harry James Thompson
Mother Catheline Fontland
https://www.newspapers.com/article/north-bay-nugget/167799857/
Sandra
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William Thompson (Grandad) was born on 09/04/1910
Where did you get that date from?
The Canadian way to write the date would be in the format
YYYY - MM - DD.
The 1911 census gives William Thompson born Sept 09 ?
So was he born on the 4 th September 1909?
Sandra
Sandra
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The Faughnan family in 1891 courtesy of Library and Archives Canada (LAC). Scroll down to second page
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=30953_148156-00757&app=census1891&op=img
And 1881 (LAC). Scroll down to second page.
https://central.bac-lac.gc.ca/.item/?id=e008173518&app=census1881&op=img
PB
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Anc tree lists -
James William Thompson -9 April 1906 - 1974 (aged 68 years)
Registration District London City Greater London
Volume 14 Page 0892
If James Henry Thompson was born 6 April 1906 - James William Thompson would not have been born 3 days later :-\
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The birth record for Gordon - Joseph Gordon Thompson
Ontario, Canada, Roman Catholic Baptisms, Marriages, and Burials, 1760-1923
Joseph Gordon Thompson -10 December 1907 baptised 7 January 1908 North Bay, Ontario.
Father James Lawson Thompson
Mother Catharine Faughnan
Ontario, Canada, Catholic Church Records (Drouin Collection), 1802-1967 (same dates)
Joseph Gordon Thompson -10 December 1907 - 7 January 1908
The 1911 census for Gordon quotes born April 1908. The marriage for Gordon Lawson Thompson 12 November 1930 indicates he was 21 years old - so born 1909 :-\
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Obit/Death Notice for Gordon Lawson Thompson passed in 1961
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Tue, 8 Aug 1961
Page 24
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/167890532/
Sandra
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Baptism for William. 1909.
Willam Leonard
Born 09 April 1909
Baptized 26 April 1909
Father James Henry Lawson (alias Thompson) (that’s what the image says)
Mother Catherine Faughnan
At Cathedrale l’Assomption in North Bay
From Ontario, Canada, Catholic Church Records (Drouin Collection). Image is on ancestry indexed as Lawson, not sure about familysearch.
So date of birth appears correct on FreeBMD but wrong year. And a different name too. I think a lot of people would find these sort of differences somewhere in their family tree.
Very interesting family!
PB
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Good find. Solves the mystery of William/Willie birth. :)
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Hello and a warm welcome to RootsChat.
I agree with the poster on your other thread that the surname of Catherine/Kathleen is probably
Faughnan or something close to that.
Here is the marriage of James and Catherine. This is the Registrar’s copy. Image available on ancestry on 2 consecutive pages.
It provides James’ mothers maiden name for you.
James Thompson
Age 34
Residence when married North Bay
Place of birth Ireland
Bachelor
Occupation Hotel Keeper
Names of parents Henry Thompson and Mary Ann Lawson
To
Catherine Faughner
Age 23
Residence when married Toronto
Place of birth Toronto
Spinster
Names of parents Bernard Faughner and Catherine Tierney
Witnesses (?) Moffit of North Bay and Jessie Rafferty of Toronto
On 10 Oct 1904 at Toronto
By Licence
Married by J J McCann
Religious designation for both is RC
Date of registration 13 Oct 1904
On the subject of children for Gordon…
Canada has strict privacy laws and most births are protected for 100 years or more. One would need to look for newspaper notices of births or parents deaths, or other means to learn about children.
You now have Harry’s death and other info on your other thread.
I am going to link your other thread here.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=890084.9
PB
thankyou so much this was so helpful
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Thanks to all of your help everyone ive managed to go up the Faughnan/Tierney Line, i i have a little working document on all their stories that im putting together so i can thank you all enough ,
I am still massivly stuck at Harry Thompson but thinking i may need to post on an india/scottish group for some help with that as i know james emigrated to canada in 1882 and is listed on multiple records as being born in india albeit irish descent but i just cant find anything on that
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“Multiple records”?
Just the two censuses?
Can you please list ALL the ones you have?
Also, don’t make yet another thread and results in duplicate findings. It just confuses the issue. 2 is more than enough.
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Yes, please don’t start another thread about Harry. Just maybe refresh us here about Harry and what you are still looking for? We will give it our best effort.
PB
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I've have a document that ive popped everything on , if you want me to email it over :) as it wouldnt upload on here , hoping the link to my tree works :)
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/family-tree/tree/203042705/family?cfpid=192657100108&fpid=192657329655&usePUBJs=true
i guess just try to find out anything about harry so 5th and 4th generation on the thompson line , i need to update their information
Harry Thompson (Great Great Grandad) was born in Scotland although not sure how valid this is (DOB unknown and no further details at thit time, he would have gone to india at some point if we think his son james was born there, likely correlated with the first world war
According to James records his mother is called Mary (Great Great Grandmother) and she was born in Scotland, however according to his death certificate her surname was unknown, her father was born in Ireland and her mother in scotland, other notes ive seen indicate her name to be mary ann lawson which would make sense due to the use of lawson in middle names etc after that
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The tree is accessible. Thank you. I think there might be a small error? I’ll get back to you when I study the tree in more detail.
PB
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absolutely , i put stuff in and then im reasearching from the botton up , but i am new to this so if ive made any errors all help is massively welcomed
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Okey dokey.
The issue in the tree seems to be with the parents of James 1864-1925 who married Catherine Faughnan in 1904. The marriage record indicates his parents are Henry Thompson and Mary Ann Lawson (see back to reply number one). The parents for Catherine are fine.
PB
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i think your right james (born 1864) should have his mother as mary ann lawson rather than catherine fontland , i need to find the marriage certificate then i can go from there :)
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The marriage record is on ancestry. Put James Thompson, marriage 1904, Ontario Canada in ancestry and it should pop right up for you. As I indicated when I posted the transcript originally (reply #1) it is the registrar’s record and is 2 pages.
It should also be on the familysearch website but I didn’t look there myself.
PB
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The marriage.
https://www.ancestry.com/search/collections/7921/records/1905572?tid=&pid=&queryId=01560a8e-94eb-4ee3-ab02-93373b6419c7&_phsrc=VTU9&_phstart=successSource
On here he says he was born Ireland
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Dorothy Galbraith Thompson spouse of the late Gordon Thompson (1961) and Gordon Thompson Jnr. (must have passed away between 1961 - 1979)
The Toronto Star
Toronto, Ontario, Canada
Thu, 16 Aug 1979
Page 28
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-toronto-star/168026963/
Obit for Gordon Thompson was reply7 -
Sandra