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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Cornwall => Topic started by: AusFamily on Tuesday 11 March 25 13:57 GMT (UK)
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Intrigued to find out that I am allegedly related to various famous people via familysearch.org Rootstech matches. Others reading this may also call such matches into question. In this case, the connection allegedly comes through Sir Roger Grenville (1477-1524) https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/KFPV-3RF
and his son Degorie/Digory https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LYXX-XVB
and thereafter his son Richard https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LY4B-DBN
I followed the connections backwards in my tree and the one link that seems potentially to be the most dubious, is Sir Roger’s alleged great grandson, John Grenville 1565 - 1656 (a ripe old age to live to, in an era where men usually died much younger, sceptical of this) https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/G7Q3-9WP
John died in St Just in Penwith, which correlates with the family lineage in my tree and the area where my ancestors lived thereafter. I however question the date of death that familysearch.org has for this individual’s profile.
I looked at the alleged father of John Grenville, Richard Grenville's familysearch.org profile,
https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LY4B-DBN
and found it difficult to link a son named John by Florence Kellaway to him, by looking elsewhere on the internet.
For example: https://gw.geneanet.org/ricknorine?n=grenville&oc=&p=richard
The best I could come up with were various trees on ancestry.com (without any records to back them up), such as the following:
https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/157195769/person/432183534227/facts
this particular profile has a John with a father named as Richard, but mother as "Margaret" (no surname given), not Florence Kellaway. It also has a different date of death for John. This would suggest that Richard may have married twice or may have had a child out of wedlock with "Margaret", according to this tree, or simply that the information in that ancestry tree is incorrect. Florence allegedly died in 1586 according to familysearch.org, long after John was allegedly born in 1565. https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/GZD8-NXM
There are also other trees on ancestry.com without any backup references that postulate John as the son of Richard Grenville & Florence Kellaway, for example https://www.ancestry.com/family-tree/person/tree/199494617/person/352615930793/facts
There is a published history of the ‘Granville Family’, which appears to be a definitive work on the aristocratic lineage here:
https://ia600208.us.archive.org/2/items/historyofgranvil00gran/historyofgranvil00gran.pdf
see page 73, which mentions Richard, son of Degorie/Digory (https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/LYXX-XVB). I can't seem to find a reference to a son John there in the pages thereafter. However, if John was born out of wedlock, then maybe he was left out of an official history?
I'm wondering what the familysearch.org sources are? Are there any existing records that deal with a John Grenville / Granville born Abt 1565 in Cornwall that give his parents’ names? Is he really related to the aristocratic family descended from Sir Roger?
Any help appreciated
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There is an extensive genealogy of Grenvile or Granville of Stowe, in the Visitation of Cornwall. The Visitations are far from perfect, but they are better that source-free trees on familysearch. it's a good starting point, and you can check the individual links with wills and inquisitions post mortem.
Starting on page 190
https://ukga.org/browse.php?action=ViewRec&DB=13&bookID=232&pagecount=193&submit=Previous
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There is an extensive genealogy of Grenvile or Granville of Stowe, in the Visitation of Cornwall. The Visitations are far from perfect, but they are better that source-free trees on familysearch. it's a good starting point, and you can check the individual links with wills and inquisitions post mortem.
Starting on page 190
https://ukga.org/browse.php?action=ViewRec&DB=13&bookID=232&pagecount=193&submit=Previous
cheers!
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See page 238 - Richard begins about page 244
https://archive.org/details/bim_eighteenth-century_the-peerage-of-england-_collins-arthur_1714_2/mode/2up