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Title: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: jamesm113 on Monday 10 March 25 04:08 GMT (UK)
I've been stuck on Stefan Borowski (https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/GYXL-FG2) and Tekla Ziobrowska (https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/K2J3-H3W).

I believe both were born in Rydoduby, which at the time, was part of Galicia/Austria.  Now part of present day Ukraine.

I have found records for their siblings in the Rydoduby registers, but not them.

Any help appreciated, thank you!
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: GrahamSimons on Monday 10 March 25 10:11 GMT (UK)
Try genteam.eu - might help....
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: fiddlerslass on Monday 10 March 25 18:10 GMT (UK)
Stephan Rex Borowski born & christened RC church Rydoduby 9 sept 1857, house no 98 legitimate son of Ludovic Borowski, son of Francis Borowski and Magdalena nee Tchorowska

And wife Marianna daughter of Nikolai  SzmadyƂo,  Agricultural worker and wife Marianna nee Zarowna

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:33S7-9RQ3-9SV7?cat=1627319&i=55&lang=en
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: jamesm113 on Monday 10 March 25 18:23 GMT (UK)
Thank you!! Wow!  Is it 1857 or 1859? ???

I see a jump from 1857 on the left page to 1859 on the right page..  I could have sworn I looked through all these, but maybe wasn't at full attention for the 1857's pages.
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: fiddlerslass on Monday 10 March 25 19:18 GMT (UK)
I had to do a double take, but think 1859 top of page is a mistake as the months follow on from 1857 nicely  :)
Thekla is proving elusive, but is 1860 missing?

Have you found their marriage as it will give her age?
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: jamesm113 on Monday 10 March 25 19:22 GMT (UK)
I have not found their marriage record yet.

Previously, I had assumed they were all Roman Catholic, since Ziobrowska and Borowski are Polish names.

However, late last night, I found two daughters of Stephan / Thecla in the Greek Catholic registers.
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: fiddlerslass on Monday 10 March 25 19:34 GMT (UK)
Ok, will bear that in mind. Probably going to call it a day for tonight. Will keep looking as 2 sets of eyes might make a difference  :)
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: fiddlerslass on Wednesday 12 March 25 15:45 GMT (UK)
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSM9-89VB-L?cat=1425491&i=208&lang=en

Above is from the Greek catholic baptism register. There is the baptism of Catharina on 7 Feb 1875, to Ludovic Borowski son of Francis & Magdalena nee Tchorowska, but he seems to have a different wife, Maria daughter of Nikolai D? And Maria Riwna?

Anyway, he is a busy bee, because here is his 3 rd marriage in 1903. Gives a birth year of around 1835 and says he is a native of Rydoduby.

https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSM9-89VG-7?cat=1425491&i=369&lang=en


And immediately underneath is a marriage for one of the daughters of Stefan & Tecla. These Borowskis are all living at No 18 now.
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: jamesm113 on Wednesday 12 March 25 16:53 GMT (UK)
Great finds!

I had not seen that marriage record yet.  When I discovered Ludovici's death record, I wasn't sure it was him as he was listed as the husband of Maria Bahry.  However, the house number matches Catharina's baptism record.  I also missed she had a different mother than Maria Szmadylo.

A bit of an interesting discovery, as Maria Bahry had two illegitimate children in 1885 and 1887...

EDIT, apparently her last name is Bahryczuk, not just Bahry - I missed that too
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: fiddlerslass on Wednesday 12 March 25 17:13 GMT (UK)
Ludwik Borowski, house 18, chr RC church 23 Aug 1835, son of Francis Borowski & Magdalena dau of Jakoba Tschorowskaya? I think pracowice means worker/employee.

Rydoduby

http://agadd.home.net.pl/metrykalia/301/sygn.%20197/pages/PL_1_301_197_0007.htm
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: jamesm113 on Wednesday 12 March 25 18:11 GMT (UK)
Something isn't quite adding up on Ludovici's 1902 marriage record.

I see "viduus cundum post p.f. Agnetein Kohut", which I think translates to widow of Agnetein Kohut.  I haven't seen that name before. 

His first wife was Maria Szmadylo, with children between 1857 and 1870.

Catharina's 1875 baptism record lists a Maria as the mother? I still can't make our her name, but it's definately not Szmadylo.  Maybe Rerthacz?  And no clue about her mother's surname. Rivncz???

Could Maria Bahryczuk have been his 4th wife???
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: fiddlerslass on Wednesday 12 March 25 18:32 GMT (UK)
Perhaps he must have had another wife, but I didn't find a marriage to Agnetein prior to the 1903 one in the available Rydoduby registers. They could have married in a nearby village. I get the feeling from the same surnames which keep appearing in the registers, that the population was not very mobile. Surfdom was not abolished until 1861.

https://www.encyclopediaofukraine.com/display.asp?linkpath=pages%5CS%5CE%5CSerfdom.htm
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: Zefiro on Wednesday 12 March 25 20:08 GMT (UK)
Something isn't quite adding up on Ludovici's 1902 marriage record.

I see "viduus cundum post p.f. Agnetein Kohut", which I think translates to widow of Agnetein Kohut.  I haven't seen that name before. 

His first wife was Maria Szmadylo, with children between 1857 and 1870.

Catharina's 1875 baptism record lists a Maria as the mother? I still can't make our her name, but it's definately not Szmadylo.  Maybe Rerthacz?  And no clue about her mother's surname. Rivncz???

Could Maria Bahryczuk have been his 4th wife???

Some corrections:

viduus secundum post p.f. Agnetem Kohut

He was widower, in his second marriage, of Agneta Kohut.

Other widowers have just 'viduus post p.f.' in their description, which means that their first wife died.
Title: Re: Help finding baptism records in Rydoduby, Galicia, Austria
Post by: Zefiro on Wednesday 12 March 25 20:51 GMT (UK)

Catharina's 1875 baptism record lists a Maria as the mother? I still can't make our her name, but it's definately not Szmadylo.  Maybe Rerthacz?  And no clue about her mother's surname. Rivncz???


Difficult to read, but here's my attempt:
Maria, daughter of Nicolai Perekacz & Maria Riwna
I think that the surname Riwna could be the female equivalent of Riwny.