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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: nicdigby on Sunday 09 March 25 17:32 GMT (UK)
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Hi, I'm looking for an emigration / immigration / pax list Elsie and her family: she was born in Southampton but died in Canada. Can anyone help me, please, as I cannot locate it?
WHAT I KNOW / WHAT I ALREADY HAVE RECORDS FOR (& don't need anything more on):
Elsie Emily DYMOND b. 1904 Stn, married Michael NORTON in Southampton, Q1 1924.
He was a ship's fireman so would have travelled.
1939 census: whole family is in Aldermoor, Soton. Michael is an asst turbine driver.
Her eldest children Marguerite and Roy were on a WW2 evacuation ship Liverpool-Halifax that was torpedoed in 1940. On their way to stay with Elsie's sister Kathleen. Survived. I have those records.
There was one more child, Sheila, born 1938.
Michael died Southampton 1966.
FindaGrave has Elsie dying in Canada in 1974. Other Anc users have the same, with
WHAT I'D LIKE TO FIND:
Any emigration/immigration or passenger list record for Elsie after 1939, not inc. the 1940 one of her two eldest children mentioned above.
NB: Anc has an index for obit of Marguerite: perhaps it mentions when she came to Canada? I cannot access it though.
I do not know if it was before or after her husband's death in 1966.
I have searched FindMyPast and Anc inc. for the children's names.
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Perhaps remove the screen shot :-\
The Ottawa Citizen
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Fri, 20 Oct 1995
Page 49
https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-ottawa-citizen/167587005/
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Thank you. Can’t delete the image. Will try again on another device.
Thanks for the newspaper record. Not informative for my objective though, but I appreciate you posting the link.
Still looking for an emigration record
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This link should explain what records are available for the time frame you are looking at. It looks like there are no publicly available records after 1935. Scroll down to the section Immigration Records after 1935 for info about how to access them.
https://library-archives.canada.ca/eng/collection/research-help/genealogy-family-history/immigration/pages/immigration.aspx
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This link should explain what records are available for the time frame you are looking at. It looks like there are no publicly available records after 1935. Scroll down to the section Immigration Records after 1935 for info about how to access them.
https://library-archives.canada.ca/eng/collection/research-help/genealogy-family-history/immigration/pages/immigration.aspx
Thank you. That would explain the absence of records, thank you
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The '24 border crossing (Canada - US) on FindMyPast looks promising - were it only possible to read the original.
Correction - think I've spotted "Nationality Canadian" + wrong time frame!!
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The '24 border crossing (Canada - US) on FindMyPast looks promising - were it only possible to read the original.
Correction - think I've spotted "Nationality Canadian" + wrong time frame!!
Thank you anyway . I appreciate your efforts. :)
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On Ancestry.
UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 has…
Marguerite and William and 2 children departing England 15 Feb 1958 bound for Halifax Canada.
Country of last permanent residence England.
Country of intended future permanent residence Canada.
Image is available with more info.
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On Ancestry.
UK and Ireland, Outward Passenger Lists, 1890-1960 has…
Marguerite and William and 2 children departing England 15 Feb 1958 bound for Halifax Canada.
Country of last permanent residence England.
Country of intended future permanent residence Canada.
Image is available with more info.
Thanks for this: so Elsie’s daughter and family went 1958.
Her husband died in Soton in 1966.
I wonder if she therefore went to join Marguerite as a widow after 1966 and then died in Canada a few years later?
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Marguerite and William (and son "P") were living in Simcoe North 1974-William was a Hotel Manager.
Sandra
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Have you seen this:?
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/frank-dymond.html
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Have you seen this:?
https://www.encyclopedia-titanica.org/titanic-survivor/frank-dymond.html
Thank you, yes I had although must admit I had overlooked the fact that Elsie became Mrs Karl Mocsary; a clue that is ripe for following up!
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There was a few entries on Canada Voters List for a Karl Mocsary 1963 listed with a Mrs Carl Mocsary.
In 1965/1968 he is listed on his own at different addresses.
Karl died 2 February 1977 and the obit for him names a wife Greta. He was on his way to Florida but died in a hotel room in Ohio. (according to newspapers reports.
Karl F Mocsary - 1913 - 2 February 1977 (aged 64 years)
Marital Status Married
Death Place Bowling Green, Wood, Ohio
Certificate Number 014993
Inquest Hospital Public - Other
Inquest Questions Certifier: Coroner; Autopsy Performed?: Unknown;
Sandra
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Thank you Sandra. I'd seen that Ohio death but couldn't place the Ohio location.
Still chasing emigration from UK to Canada of Elsie + her death would be useful: FindaGrave has the date as Sep 1974 and in Manitoba, Canada under the name of NORTON, which would likely mean she did not marry Karl Mocsary - cannot find a marriage to her by the latter either.
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Just seen this thread – Elsie Emily was one of my dad’s older sisters; I have a photo of her and Mickie at daughter Marguerit Joan’s marriage in 1949 to William Thomas Frampton in Romsey. I am in contact with their son who may be able to help re immigration date? I also have a very brief note from Karl to my dad after Elsie’s death.