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Title: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: brynjon on Saturday 08 March 25 23:02 GMT (UK)
Hi, I wonder if anyone may be able to shed some light on a business card found in my late grandmother's papers.

It was a business card issued by her brother John Wood b1904 in Sunderand, England, United Kingdom. He migrated to New York in 1925 and became naturalized and a registered US Citizen signing his paperwork 15 December 1926 - sadly he died 25th January 1927 having penned a letter to his father in Sunderland on 22nd January 1927.

John issued a business card which was a simple affair with his name across the front, His address at time of death was 119 40th Street, Corona, Long Island. His body was returned to his hometown where he was interred alongside his mother on 11th February 1927. His corpse was returned on board the vessel Celtic with a pricely sum of £200 paid for by one of his aunts who was a nurse to wealthy clients in NYC.

Can anyone give me any information in relation to the proximity of the address given on the card, image attached, to his home address in Corona.

John's aunts, Sarah Jane Wood and Margaret Wood were regular travellers to NYC as they were nurses to wealthy clients such as Pulitzer and Strauss as well as others. They were recorded as visiting a John Grey reported as a cousin on one of their visits.

A little long in the introduction I am sure.

I have added a photo of John to make it more interesting
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: maddys52 on Sunday 09 March 25 00:39 GMT (UK)
According to google maps, it is about 9 miles between 40th Road, Corona and East 65th St.
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: brynjon on Sunday 09 March 25 01:57 GMT (UK)
I had just been on google maps so a bit of a brainfreeze, so a couple of hours walk or around an hour by today' public transport.

I am curious as to why he would have a business card registered there. Also the Rhinelander code for the phone number. Perhaps an agency address. I do not have the foggiest. I live in Sunderland, England UK, so do not know the metropolis that is NYC.

I have John's probate record from NYC, a newspaper article of his body being repatriated to his hometown as well as his naturalisation documents along with the last letter he wrote to his father.

Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 09 March 25 02:56 GMT (UK)
DC: https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/5845669
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: RJ137 on Sunday 09 March 25 03:20 GMT (UK)
This is as close as I could find something for that address on the card, for the time period in question. That address appears to be for an apartment building. The second clipping for that address from Sept. 1925 has the same phone exchange.

New York Times
Thursday, November 11, 1926

New York Times
Sunday, September 27, 1925
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 09 March 25 08:46 GMT (UK)
Checking phone no - unfortunately, none of the "hits" returned "x99"

https://fultonhistory.com/Fulton.html

Just click on "Search".
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: brynjon on Sunday 09 March 25 10:46 GMT (UK)
DC: https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/5845669

Many thanks for this. In John's letter to his father dated 22, January 1927 he reports attending a boxing match at MSG and that the weather was pretty horrendous so I assumed he had died from an infection like pneumonia.

The certificate suggests I was very wrong, though I cannot decipher the handwriting I noted 'gas' and what I am thinking is poisoning. I would be grateful if anyone can shed light.
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Sunday 09 March 25 10:51 GMT (UK)
I read it as "accidental illuminating gas poisoning." So the property was gas lit, the flame went out and the gas kept flowing, leading to him being overcome?
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: brynjon on Sunday 09 March 25 10:58 GMT (UK)
RJ137 - once again, thank you very much for this information. This appears to be an address used by many whilst looking for gainful employment.

His aunts Margaret and Sarah Jane WOOD were working as nurses and they would use some sort of Agency whilst they were travelling back and forth from Sunderlang to New York. I am sure the name Mrs C Egan appears on at least one ship's manifest.

The aunts had an interesting life travelling to and fro, especially due to their young age and daughters of  shipyard worker from the industrial North East of England.

I believe John followed the dream that his aunts had told him about. One suggestion within the family is that John's father and other family members were to join him in NY. If that had happened I would not have been writing this.
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 09 March 25 11:01 GMT (UK)
Does contributing cause say "was alone"?
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: brynjon on Sunday 09 March 25 11:05 GMT (UK)
I read it as "accidental illuminating gas poisoning." So the property was gas lit, the flame went out and the gas kept flowing, leading to him being overcome?

Thank you Elmer - I had thought of the word illuminating but did not associate the gas. Hopefully he would have passed in peace.
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: Elwyn Soutter on Sunday 09 March 25 11:13 GMT (UK)

Thank you Elmer - I had thought of the word illuminating but did not associate the gas. Hopefully he would have passed in peace.

I have no idea about American gas lighting at that time but I recall my grandmother in Scotland using gas in the 1950s. There was a gas tap by the fire (which could be used for a gas fired poker to light the coal fire quickly). The gas tap had no safety mechanism at all and it was quite easy for someone shovelling coal or tidying the fireplace up to knock the gas tap on by accident. Gas would then start trickling into the room till someone noticed and turned it off again. Astonishing when you look back on it. Nowadays there would be an automatic valve to turn the gas off if there was a malfunction. But not then.
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: brynjon on Sunday 09 March 25 11:16 GMT (UK)
Does contributing cause say "was alone"?

Thank you Hanes - That would certainly have been a contributing factor.

Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 09 March 25 13:59 GMT (UK)
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I am curious as to why he would have a business card registered there. Also the Rhinelander code for the phone number. Perhaps an agency address.
Rhinelander was just the telephone exchange for that address/area.
It would have been quite common for people to commute into the City, My great-grandfather would have commuted 20 miles (by train) into N.Y.C. but later his commute was almost 40 miles away from work.
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: hanes teulu on Sunday 09 March 25 14:23 GMT (UK)
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I am curious as to why he would have a business card registered there. Also the Rhinelander code for the phone number. Perhaps an agency address.
Rhinelander was just the telephone exchange for that address/area.
It would have been quite common for people to commute into the City, My great-grandfather would have commuted 20 miles (by train) into N.Y.C. but later his commute was almost 40 miles away from work.
If you check post #5 and use the link to deliver newspaper hits you can see the range of activity under "Rhinelander 0300" in the mid 20s.
Title: Re: Business Card from 1920s of my Great Uncle from Sunderland UK when in NYC
Post by: brynjon on Monday 10 March 25 13:24 GMT (UK)
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I am curious as to why he would have a business card registered there. Also the Rhinelander code for the phone number. Perhaps an agency address.
Rhinelander was just the telephone exchange for that address/area.
It would have been quite common for people to commute into the City, My great-grandfather would have commuted 20 miles (by train) into N.Y.C. but later his commute was almost 40 miles away from work.
If you check post #5 and use the link to deliver newspaper hits you can see the range of activity under "Rhinelander 0300" in the mid 20s.

Thanks again - it seems the work ethic of people back in the day was exemplary.