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I found a death for Michael Brew 8th September 1878 Reg Cork address Curraheen Ballinora Married age 22 a Tailor. Death same date for Thomas Murphy age 16 same address Tailors Apprentice. The Coroners report states Homicidal. I am wondering if there would have been any report in newspapers. Michael Brew had only married in 1876 to Mary Lynch. THank you for any information
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Hi
There are tons of newspaper reports for what happened that night.
Micheal Brew and James Murphy seem to be found dead on the railway line Cork to Macroom Railway
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1878-09-01/1878-09-30?basicsearch=michael%20brew&somesearch=michael%20brew&country=ireland&retrievecountrycounts=false&mostspecificlocation=ireland&page=0
It seems to have created quite a few column inches.
Ciderdrinker
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Hi
There are tons of newspaper reports for what happened that night.
Micheal Brew and James Murphy seem to be found dead on the railway line Cork to Macroom Railway
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1878-09-01/1878-09-30?basicsearch=michael%20brew&somesearch=michael%20brew&country=ireland&retrievecountrycounts=false&mostspecificlocation=ireland&page=0 Thank you does the report indicate they had been killed by the train or died by other means
It seems to have created quite a few column inches.
Ciderdrinker
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You have popped your text in amongst ciderdrinker's reply!
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You have popped your text in amongst ciderdrinker's reply!
thank you
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Hi
There are tons of newspaper reports for what happened that night.
Micheal Brew and James Murphy seem to be found dead on the railway line Cork to Macroom Railway
https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/search/results/1878-09-01/1878-09-30?basicsearch=michael%20brew&somesearch=michael%20brew&country=ireland&retrievecountrycounts=false&mostspecificlocation=ireland&page=0
It seems to have created quite a few column inches.
Ciderdrinker
Thank you does the report indicate they were killed by the train? I cannot read the full text of the newspapers without being registered.
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They were on the train, the inquest found a problem with the sleepers which caused the train to derail, several carriages ended up on their sides, the coroner found the driver was not to blame but said he was determined to issue warrants for the arrest of a list of people ( mainly railway directors) for manslaughter due to the condition of the sleepers, hence the cert statement of homicidal.
I thought you might want this bit
Irish Examiner Sept 10 1878
Mrs Mary Brew was than sworn. She said “I live at No.1 Connoll’s Alley Hanover Street. I am widow of the deceased Michael Brew. I saw the body today and identified it as my husband. He left me yesterday morning at 10 o clock to go to Kilcrea to my father, and he was to return home by the Macroom train in the evening.
Thomas Murphy was travelling with him. It appears they went fairly often to visit Mary’s father.
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They were on the train, the inquest found a problem with the sleepers which caused the train to derail, several carriages ended up on their sides, the coroner found the driver was not to blame but said he was determined to issue warrants for the arrest of a list of people ( mainly railway directors) for manslaughter due to the condition of the sleepers, hence the cert statement of homicidal.
I thought you might want this bit
Irish Examiner Sept 10 1878
Mrs Mary Brew was than sworn. She said “I live at No.1 Connoll’s Alley Hanover Street. I am widow of the deceased Michael Brew. I saw the body today and identified it as my husband. He left me yesterday morning at 10 o clock to go to Kilcrea to my father, and he was to return home by the Macroom train in the evening.
Thomas Murphy was travelling with him. It appears they went fairly often to visit Mary’s father.
Thank you Michael & Mary had only been married in 1876 but she remarried in 1883 to a Henry Ware. Marys maiden name was Lynch & it makes sense Michael was going to visit her father Michael Lynch who lived in Scart which is in Kilcrea area. I found Henry Ware & Mary in census of 1901 Gerald Griffin St cork Urban No 4 & there is a stepson Michael Ware but I cannot locate his birth record.I believe Mary Lynch comes from my ggrandmothers line of Lynchs from area of Scart.
Thank you again Sinann :)
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I found Henry Ware & Mary in census of 1901 Gerald Griffin St cork Urban No 4 & there is a stepson Michael Ware but I cannot locate his birth record.
1901 census shows Henry Weir, wife Mary, four daughters and a stepdaughter Mary Agnes Brew.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Gerald_Griffin_Street/1104036/
1911 census shows Henry & Mary Weir with stepson Michael Brew age 31-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Cork_No__4/Courtneys_Lane/392285/
IF census is correct then Michael born c1880 which is after death of Mary's husband Michael.
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1901 census shows Henry Weir, wife Mary, four daughters and a stepdaughter Mary Agnes Brew.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Gerald_Griffin_Street/1104036/
Birth of daughter Mary in 1877-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1877/02992/2096531.pdf
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1901 census shows Henry Weir, wife Mary, four daughters and a stepdaughter Mary Agnes Brew.
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Cork_Urban_No__4/Gerald_Griffin_Street/1104036/
Birth of daughter Mary in 1877-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/birth_returns/births_1877/02992/2096531.pdf
Thank you
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It's possible that young Michael Brew wasn't a stepson as we know today but a nephew of Mary's late husband.
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It's possible that young Michael Brew wasn't a stepson as we know today but a nephew of Mary's late husband.
A possibility given that his age in 1911 was 31
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There is this marriage of a Michael Brew stone cutter father Michael a tailor, dead. It’s in Kerry but lot of things matching.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09806/5560710.pdf
Could Mary have been pregnant when her husband was killed.
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There is this marriage of a Michael Brew stone cutter father Michael a tailor, dead. It’s in Kerry but lot of things matching.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09806/5560710.pdf
Could Mary have been pregnant when her husband was killed.
Great find Sinann definitely Michael Brew long history of Stonecutters in his mothers family.A question for you I have been searching for Michaels mother Mary Lynch baptism circa 1857 probably in parish of Kilmurry/Bandon/Ovens with no result. Her father was Michael Lynch a tailor Scart died 2nd January 1879 age 68yrs married John Lynch present I am presuming he was his son he is on 1901 census in Scart (Moviddy) Single & has a Katie Ware Niece in household (Mary Lynch married Henry Ware/Weir after Michael died) Any help would be appreciated as I cannot find a marriage either for Michael Lynch. :)
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John Lynch present I am presuming he was his son he is on 1901 census in Scart (Moviddy) Single & has a Katie Ware Niece in household
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Moviddy/Scart_Lower/1164790/
Scart Lower is the townland and Moviddy is the D.E.D.
John Lynch in 1911-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Moviddy/Scart_Tower/374224/
Possible Lynch relative?
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Moviddy/Scart_Tower/374221/ (Scart Lower)
There is this marriage of a Michael Brew stone cutter father Michael a tailor, dead. It’s in Kerry but lot of things matching.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09806/5560710.pdf
Possible death for Michael's wife-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1950/04523/4191002.pdf
Which leads to death of Michael Brew, age 81 so born c1881-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1961/04317/4113802.pdf
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John Lynch present I am presuming he was his son he is on 1901 census in Scart (Moviddy) Single & has a Katie Ware Niece in household
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Cork/Moviddy/Scart_Lower/1164790/
Scart Lower is the townland and Moviddy is the D.E.D.
John Lynch in 1911-
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Moviddy/Scart_Tower/374224/
Possible Lynch relative?
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Moviddy/Scart_Tower/374221/ (Scart Lower)
There is this marriage of a Michael Brew stone cutter father Michael a tailor, dead. It’s in Kerry but lot of things matching.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1915/09806/5560710.pdf
Possible death for Michael's wife-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1950/04523/4191002.pdf
Which leads to death of Michael Brew, age 81 so born c1881-
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/deaths_returns/deaths_1961/04317/4113802.pdf
Thank you for all the very helpful information I was about to check out the Jeremiah Lynch to see if there is a connection
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No need to keep quoting whole reply- sometimes just makes it more confusing to read through such a long quoted post. ;)
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No need to keep quoting whole reply- sometimes just makes it more confusing to read through such a long quoted post. ;)
OK.Checked out Jeremiah Lynch married Anne Lynch 1874 both their fathers named John Lynch just to make it more confusing
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Checked out Jeremiah Lynch married Anne Lynch 1874 both their fathers named John Lynch just to make it more confusing
Their 1874 marriage.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11257/8128590.pdf
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Checked out Jeremiah Lynch married Anne Lynch 1874 both their fathers named John Lynch just to make it more confusing
Their 1874 marriage.
https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/files/civil/marriage_returns/marriages_1874/11257/8128590.pdf
Thank you