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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Durham => Topic started by: Vasquez109 on Monday 03 March 25 21:31 GMT (UK)
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Trying to find a burial of William Hunt who married a Hannah Nattrass in 1833 at Heworth, Durham. Ive got him on the census as:
1841 - Wingate
1851 - South Hetton
1861 - Shadforth
I cant find him in 1871, but can find a burial in Usworth for 1867. Would this be a bit far away? Really struggling with Durham as a county. Would someone be able to help find what happened to him. Durham is by far the hardest county ive researched.
Any help appreciated!
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Is the William Hunt you’ve found in 1867 the right age?
Usworth is about 14 miles from Shadforth. But there’s no reason why he could have moved from Shadforth to Usworth sometime between 1861 and 1867.
County Durham is no more difficult to research than any other county. And the Durham Bishops transcripts between 1798 and 1812 can be a goldmine of information.
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Comparing it to other counties I'm finding Durham quite difficult.
Yes. The death age looks good.
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Have you found Hannah in 1871 or did she die before the census? If she was still alive in 1871 is she shown as a widow?
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The William Hunt death in 1867 shows aged 60 - birthyear approx 1807
I can’t see the 1861 entry you mention but the death was registered in Chester Le Street RD - Shadforth came under Durham RD
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Assuming I have the right Hannah, she is a widow in 1871:
Collingwood Street, Thornley - RG10/4976/57/38
Hannah Hunt 62 widow, born [?] Head
William Hunt 24 son, widower, miner, born Wingate
William Hunt 8 Grandson born Easington Lane
If William Sr was also a miner then moving around wouldn't be particularly unusual.
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One other Hunt burial indexed at Usworth, also in 1867. Susannah Hunt, age 1.
Likely she was the daughter of William Hunt's son Ralph, and his wife Ellen/Eleanor, nee Wilson. Who were also living in Thornley in 1871. Hannah's grandson William, with her in that census, was a son of Ralph?
Perhaps they were moving around together.
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Have you found Hannah in 1871 or did she die before the census? If she was still alive in 1871 is she shown as a widow?
Yes. 1871 she is in Thornley with son William and grandson William.
Thanks.
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The William Hunt death in 1867 shows aged 60 - birthyear approx 1807
I can’t see the 1861 entry you mention but the death was registered in Chester Le Street RD - Shadforth came under Durham RD
If youre looking using ancestry, the surname has been transcribed as ??T. Theres a William Fenwick living at the address also.
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I can’t see the 1861 entry you mention
The reference is RG 9/ 3744/ 49/ 6
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You seem to have problems with tracing folk in Durham. Its always difficult to get to grips with a new area of research as you have to start from scratch learning the how and where to search.
the following is long (get a flask and some sandwiches to see you through) but may help to see how I went about looking
You have the indexed burial entry - there's not likely to be any further info on the image to confirm/deny its your man. so you can't confirm from that its the man you are looking for
the death registration - which will give a place of death and also the name of the informant - which could well be a known relative - may not be - but its your best shot at confirmation
FreeBMD
Search Deaths
enter the surname and first name
Age/DoB put in a range for his year of birth I used 1803-1809
use a date range of 1861 (when he was on the census) and 1871 (when the census recorded Hannah as his widow)
Specify the County as Durham
3 results within Durham for deaths in that name
Check the first two on the GRO site (which unlike the old printed index does give an age at death)
1862 Teesdale - GRO site says he's 2 so you can discount him
1863 Sunderland - GRO site says he's 64
I checked the Sunderland Registrars site for this death and they have a local register reference of ES17/123
ES is the East Sunderland sub district of Sunderland Cicil Registration District
see:
https://www.ukbmd.org.uk/reg/districts/sunderland.html
Census 1861 Piece3777/Folio120/Page19
has a William Hunt, a greengrocer and his wife Barbara both from Norfolk in Reg District Sunderland sub district 3 East Sunderland that says he was 63 in 1861 but . .
this is his burial register entry https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJW-W1LW?
which matches the occupation and address on that 1861 census -
So he can be discounted too
Which leaves you with that 1867 registration in Chester-le-Street and IF he died in Co Durham that is highly possible . Only that £3 death register image from the GRO would 'perhaps' confirm that.
Boo
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Boo thank you so much for that detailed guide. I will order the GRO image tomorrow.
Ive had nothing but trouble with Durham. From my grandmother who had the surname Proud, it took a few years to move back from that. Only due to some cover up stories from relatives. One line after another has been a headache. Its taken over 10 years to get back to the 1840's all all of my grans lines. People just vanish and disappear for no reason. A great uncle of hers back in the 1870s had his own shop and had ran it for years. Next thing, hes on a ship to New York for seemingly no reason. His children and wife left behind now running the shop!
This William Hunt and Hannah (Nattress) are problematic too. After the 1871 census. Cant find a death for Hannah or a remarriage. Not sure whats going on either. Every line in Durham is a pain ;D
Thank you for your patience and advice.
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Boo thank you so much for that detailed guide. I will order the GRO image tomorrow.
Ive had nothing but trouble with Durham. From my grandmother who had the surname Proud, it took a few years to move back from that. Only due to some cover up stories from relatives. One line after another has been a headache. Its taken over 10 years to get back to the 1840's all all of my grans lines. People just vanish and disappear for no reason. A great uncle of hers back in the 1870s had his own shop and had ran it for years. Next thing, hes on a ship to New York for seemingly no reason. His children and wife left behind now running the shop!
This William Hunt and Hannah (Nattress) are problematic too. After the 1871 census. Cant find a death for Hannah or a remarriage. Not sure whats going on either. Every line in Durham is a pain ;D
Thank you for your patience and advice.
Do let us know the result of the register entry, its always good to know if something pans out or not.
Sounds like its not Durham per se that is the problem, rather the awkward ancestors who lived there (of which I have many) :-)
Boo
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I thought Vasquez109 might have been in Cockett Road tonight, getting those Northumberland digital images.
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Vasquez109, your little motto has the words
Tomorrow might be too late....
I will order the GRO image tomorrow.
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12hr work days and then spending another 3 or 4 clearing a house after a tenant moved out. Being family, I'm sure William Hunt will understand ;D
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Ive had nothing but trouble with Durham
Every line in Durham is a pain
From what you say the problem seems to lie with your relatives not with the County Durham records ;DI will order the GRO image tomorrow.
Please let us know what it reveals.
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Thanks everyone. Informant was Ralph Hunt, present at the death on 26 Sep 1867.
This is my man! Thank you so much everyone.
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I usually (especially if I've had to jump through hoops to pin it down) add a transcription of the info to the index entry on FreeBMD, as a 'postem' by clicking on the Red Info button and following the instructions.
if you look at
Deaths Q3 1853 Grace Thompson 10a 300 and click on the little envelope icon you can see what I mean
Though its by no means obligatory, some folk do some don't, but these postems may well help others in the future
Boo
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I have found a theory (unproven without the death register entry) for the Death of Hannah HUNT (nee Nattrass)
As per this is long (I could never be accused of being brief)
Daughter of William Hunt and Hannah
with her family on 1841 and 1851 census
1841 census P313/bk15/f24/p42 Wingate, Co Durham P313/Bk14/F24/p42
Mary age 8 (not born in county)
1851 census P2392/353/27
Mary, age 18, born Heworth (which IS in Co Durham)
She's not with her family in the 1861 census
1854 FreeBMD Marriages
Has a John HUTCHISON (note not Hutchinson) and a Mary Ann Hunt Q1 1854 Sunderland 10a 423
Marriage Locator does not return a church venue for this vol and page no so I assume it was a Registrar's Office marriage
Sunderland Registrars site index search has the same marriage ref CO19Bk7/453
1861 census P3746/F39/30 Haswell
John HutchiNson age 33 born Houghton le Spring
wife Mary age 27 born Gateshead (Heworth was in Gateshead Civil reg District)
son William age 3 born Easington -Check GRO births - William Hutchinson, Q1 1858 Easington 10a 64, mmn HUNT
1871 census P4970/F70/p70
Dad, Mam and William all match the details in the 1861 census
and the new additions are
Jane age 9, born Haswell - check GRO births -Jane Ann Hutchinson Q3 Easington 10a 319 mmn HUNT
Mary E, age 2 born Haswell - check GRO births Mary Ellen Hutchinson Q1 Easington 10a 399 mmn HUNT
1879 GRO Deaths Mary Hannah HUNT Q4 Sunderland 10a 307, age 74
Though there is an additional forename
I can't find a death for a plain 'Hannah' Hunt in the right time frame so maybe her birth forenames were Mary Hannah and she was known as Hannah - its a possibility to consider in the absence of any other possibles
1879 St Paul, Ryhope Burials (transcript only, I don't have an image)
18 Nov 1879 Mary Hannah Hunt of 13 Bell St, age 74
age checks out and given the 1881 census for her daughter and son in law below this looks likely
1881 census P4999/F6/p5 13 Bell St Ryhope Hutchinson Household
Though only initials for forenames are used this matches with the 1871 census for the Hutchinson family
Check through this carefully, but it 'feels' right to me.
Can't document feelings though, so the £3 digital image of Mary Hannah's death register would be the only way to confirm it, fingers crossed the informant is a known relative .
Boo
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Fantastic theory and research, Boo.
Probably the likeliest answer to the Hannah problem.
1854 FreeBMD Marriages
Has a John HUTCHISON (note not Hutchinson) and a Mary Ann Hunt Q1 1854 Sunderland 10a 423
Marriage announcement in the Durham County Advertiser, 31 March 1854
At Bishopwearmouth Church, on the 25th inst., Mr John Hutchinson to Miss Mary Ann Hunt.
Partially transcribed on FamilySearch
Mary Ann was 21, father William Hunt
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NXG2-3CK
maybe her birth forenames were Mary Hannah and she was known as Hannah
I think maybe this is her baptism at Alston, 29 April 1809
Hannah (daughter of) Ralph and Mary Natrass (nee Waugh)
Born 4 April 1809
Father a Miner
Abode Nenthead
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58180d46e93790ec8ba48437
This matches her age in the census (born 1809/10) and place of birth (Nenthead / Alston)
Info given on death records is not always totally accurate, as we know.
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maybe her birth forenames were Mary Hannah and she was known as Hannah
I think maybe this is her baptism at Alston, 29 April 1809
Hannah (daughter of) Ralph and Mary Natrass (nee Waugh)
Born 4 April 1809
Father a Miner
Abode Nenthead
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/58180d46e93790ec8ba48437
This matches her age in the census (born 1809/10) and place of birth (Nenthead / Alston)
Info given on death records is not always totally accurate, as we know.
when I click that link I am getting a record with totally different dates (born 26 Feb, bapt 5 Mar )and the baptism took place at Stanhope St John's Chapel ?
Boo
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There were two of them?
I must have given the wrong one. Maybe this one!
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5817f43ee93790ec8b775039
Ralph is a good name for her father.
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thanks, its a definite possible for her baptism :-) The parents'names match with those of William and Hannah Hunt's children which is a good plus point
Boo
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Boo I dont know how to thank you! Ive just ordered the image from the GRO and its come up a result!
Ill post the image here, but if its not allowed ill remove it.
William and Hannahs daughter, Mary Ann married John Hutchinson in 1854.
Fantastic detective skills. And thank you to everyone else that helped with the initial query.
Many thanks.
David.
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Really pleased that register entry gave you two dabs of glue to tie up the bits n pieces of my theory together, both that she was the widow of William Hunt, a miner and the mother in law of John Hutchinson.
though marriage locator https://one-name.org/marriage-locator/ didn't bring up a church for John Hutchinson and Mary Hunt's marriage jonwrrn's find of a partial transcript in Family Search which says her Dad was William means that 'may' have been a non conformist (registrar attended) marriage rather than a register office one and that is an extra dab of that glue to tie it all together.
Boo
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Really appreciate the help. Jonwarrn thank you too! Great detective skills!