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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: Anchor425 on Sunday 02 March 25 02:15 GMT (UK)
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John Campbell was born circa 1774 in Co. Armagh and was transported to NSW in 1801 for his participation as a United Irishman in the rebellion of 1798. He was a labourer and received a conditional pardon in 1803. Ten years later, in Parramatta St. Johns CoE, he married Mary Smith, born in London in 1786 and transported in 1812. By 1828, John and Mary had two children, Elizabeth aged 7 and Sarah aged 3, and John was the proprietor of Campbell's Farm. John may have died in the Liverpool District.
Primarily, my interest lies in the descendants of Elizabeth, who became a Turner before marrying Stephen Blanch in 1850, in the Wellington District, NSW, but I would like to know more about John and Mary.
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From Findagrave website:
Elizabeth Maria Campbell Blanch
b 1821 d 3 Dec 1899
Buried Coraki Cemetery NSW with husband and chn. Emma d 1928, Thomas d 1931, Edward d 1931 George d 1960.
If you go to Trove.nla.gov.au and put "Blanch" in the search field, and NSW you will find a great deal of information about this family.
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Thanks, Shume
I have not had any significant problems in finding info online on the NSW immigrant Blanch family, and I have used Trove extensively. As I said in my original post, I would like to know more about the convicts John and Mary Campbell, née Smith (born circa 1774 & 1786 respv.), especially beyond the 1828 Muster ("census"). For a start, I would like to know when and where they died.
Kind regards
Kevin
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hi
could you tell me the name of the ships John and Mary Arrived on please
regards
Cass
also have you checked the 2 daughters' marriages. If they married under 21yrs they most prob had to obtain permission from a parent and the parents name and permission details would be recorded on the marriage certificate. This was a lead that helped us establish if one of our Convicts was alive when his daughter married and eventually lead us to his death. Just a suggestion.
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On the 1828 census:
John CAMPBELL 54 Ann 1 1800 life
Mary 42 Minstrel 1813 7 years
Elizabeth 7
Sarah 3
John is a landholder of 40acres at Botany.
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When they married at Parramatta on 19 July 1813, John was of the the parish of St Phillip, Sydney. Mary was of St John Parramatta. (John signed, Mary "x")
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In 1823 Mary lost her Certificate of Freedom out of her pocketbook.
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/permalink/f/1ebnd1l/INDEX2486556
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I can see a reference in the Colonial Secretary's Papers to John CAMPBELL who arrived on the Ann (1) at Liverpool, however this is around 1816 in a Notice regarding the previous General Muster. So prior to the 1828 where he is at Botany.
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FindMyPast - HOME OFFICE, SETTLERS AND CONVICTS
Name - John Campbell;
Came free or born in Country - n/a
Whether freed by servitude, absolute pardon, Conditional Pardon or partially by ticket of leave - CP
Ship came in - Ann(1)
Sentence - Life
Where and by whom employed - Land holder, Waterloo
The entry immediately below reads
Ann Campbell; came free; Minstrel; daughter to JC, Liverpool
Yet to date when the list compiled.
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I can see 3 Mary Smiths arriving Oct 12 1812 on the Minstrel. All were tried/convicted at the Old Bailey - April 1811 (age 40- YoB 1771), May 1811 (age 28 - YoB 1783) and Sep 1811 (age 18 - YoB 1793).
The 1828 Census provides a YoB of 1786. Ages are always suspect but the Mary convicted Apr 1811 was in cahoots with a Mary Powell - age 26 YoB 1785. Mary Powell was also on the Minstrel and one of the records has them bracketed together.
You can read their trial here -
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/record/t18110403-55?text=smith
A possible for the Mary that Married JC?
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I've been chasing Mary Smith pre. transportation. You'll appreciate the nightmare of chasing such a name with little or nothing to support it.
The 1783 birth looks promising. But the prison records I can find on FindMyPast or the Old Bailey trial records re. the 1811 offence just don't contribute any info. that helps identify her. I've found newspaper reports of the 1811 case but, again, they add nothing about Mary.
There's an 1802 offence of a 19 yr old (YoB 1783) Mary Smith and Old Bailey trial where the offence occurs in Ratcliffe Highway - a notorious address in early 19th century London. Again, they add nothing to our knowledge of Mary.
Links to check -
https://www.digitalpanopticon.org/search?e0.type.t.t=root&e0._all.s.s=&e0.surname.s.s=smith&e0.given.s.s=mary&e0.born.y.l=1783&e0.born.y.h=1787
https://www.oldbaileyonline.org/record/t18020918-84?text=%22mary%20smith%22
https://theratcliffehighway.wordpress.com/
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FindMyPast has a record -
Name - Mary Smith
Came Free/born in Country - blank
Whether freed by servitude, Absolute Pardon, conditional pardon or partial ticket of leave - A P (?)
Vessel - Minstrel
Where and by whom employed - Wife to J Campbell, Liverpool
Again, cannot determine date when register created.
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The entry immediately below reads
Ann Campbell; came free; Minstrel; daughter to JC, Liverpool
Spotted this on Trove -
The Australian, Fri 22 Jun 1829
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The Sydney Gazette, 23 Mar 1830, has the marriage of an Ann Campbell - see snippet.
However checking it out on FindMyPast -
Ann Campbell and John Scarr, married 10 Mar 1830, marriage place Liverpool NSW, groom "of Airds NSW," brides birthplace "of Liverpool, NSW"
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Unfortunately John CAMPBELL is a reasonably common name. I would think the 1829 article is not the correct CAMPBELL family. In 1828 they are at Botany, with no daugher Ann.
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The problem I'm having is dating some of the FindMyPast records. I couldn't date the entry "Ann Campbell;came free.... &c".
I'd ruled out Ann Campbell/Scarr after comparing YoB (1807) and arrival dates of the Minstrel (25 Oct 1812 and 22 Aug 1825).
Omitted to add - there was a 2nd Ann Campbell marriage, Liverpool, 1830!