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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Topic started by: thedesman1 on Friday 28 February 25 15:00 GMT (UK)
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Hi, issue locating death record for:
Margaret Raeburn (formerly Neilson), born: approx 1854 in Glasgow/Lanarkshire (census 1921 says birthplace Chapelhall, she is aged 67 in 1921), marriage: 25/10/1872 at Rutherglen, Glasgow to William Raeburn. William Raeburn b. approx 1852 and d.1919 aged 67. They had several children.
Her parents are noted as Robert Neilson and Helen Duncan on the marriage record.
The family lived around Bridgeton/Dalmarnock in Glasgow. I have a photograph of Margaret in 1925 so I believe she died after this date. Would like to find her death record if possible?
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I found a Margaret Raeburn in 1930 aged 76, in Plantation, Glasgow, which is 15 mins from Dalmarnock. But it says mother's maiden name is McBride? I found this on Scotlands People website.
Just noted your updated post with her mother being Helen Duncan. Was Duncan definitely her maiden name?
Sorry if this has already been eliminated from your search. :)
SkyeSpotter.
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Hi SkyeSpotter, I've seen the mother's maiden name, Duncan on a couple of different documents so I'm fairly sure. I've seen another family tree which notes the death year as 1930 but I've not been able to prove as there was no source cited. Unless the entry that you found is the correct person but maybe the informant provided the name McBride incorrectly. The 1861 census shows Robert and Helen as parents to Margaret and Janet and a son whose name is unfortunately not legible.
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Hi SkyeSpotter, I've seen the mother's maiden name, Duncan on a couple of different documents so I'm fairly sure. I've seen another family tree which notes the death year as 1930 but I've not been able to prove as there was no source cited. Unless the entry that you found is the correct person but maybe the informant provided the name McBride incorrectly. The 1861 census shows Robert and Helen as parents to Margaret and Janet and a son whose name is unfortunately not legible.
Yes, I've seen many trees stating that the death year was 1930. Not sure if you are on Ancestry, but a lot on there state that d.o.d was 26th March 1930, however I cannot find a source and each tree i check refers to another tree. I have checked newspapers for around that date but haven't found anything. Sorry. The search continues...
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There is certainly a record of Banns for Robert Neilson & Helen Duncan in Bothwell 27th March 1853 Gros Ref 625 40 / 273.
Searching for Margaret under her maiden name throws a blank with mothers maiden name of Duncan (the only Margaret Neilson that shows died in 1926 at age 28)
Yes, I've seen many trees stating that the death year was 1930. Not sure if you are on Ancestry, but a lot on there state that d.o.d was 26th March 1930, however I cannot find a source and each tree i check refers to another tree.
Do these trees show a place of death.
You also have to remember that often Death Records are perhaps the least reliable when it comes to names - the information is only as good as the informants knowledge of the deceased.
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Have you viewed the death for Margaret to rule it out mothers maiden name could be wrong perhaps the person who registered the death was unsure .I would be inclined to take a chance
Rosie
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There is certainly a record of Banns for Robert Neilson & Helen Duncan in Bothwell 27th March 1853 Gros Ref 625 40 / 273.
Searching for Margaret under her maiden name throws a blank with mothers maiden name of Duncan (the only Margaret Neilson that shows died in 1926 at age 28)
Yes, I've seen many trees stating that the death year was 1930. Not sure if you are on Ancestry, but a lot on there state that d.o.d was 26th March 1930, however I cannot find a source and each tree i check refers to another tree.
Do these trees show a place of death.
You also have to remember that often Death Records are perhaps the least reliable when it comes to names - the information is only as good as the informants knowledge of the deceased.
On Ancestry trees they say Glasgow or some say Bridgeton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
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Have you viewed the death for Margaret to rule it out mothers maiden name could be wrong perhaps the person who registered the death was unsure .I would be inclined to take a chance
Rosie
Here is the link. If thedesman1 wants to order the certificate.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results/68055892967c20d86d0a40
Link above might or might not work. But it is on Scotland's people website https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
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On Ancestry trees they say Glasgow or some say Bridgeton, Lanarkshire, Scotland.
Bridgeton is a district in the city of Glasgow.
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Have you viewed the death for Margaret to rule it out mothers maiden name could be wrong perhaps the person who registered the death was unsure .I would be inclined to take a chance
Rosie
Here is the link. If thedesman1 wants to order the certificate.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results/68055892967c20d86d0a40
Link above might or might not work. But it is on Scotland's people website https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/
Death certificate can be viewed for 6 credits
Rosie
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Here is the link. If thedesman1 wants to order the certificate.
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/record-results/68055892967c20d86d0a40
That link won't work.
See screenshot.
The fact that the death is listed under only one surname can mean one of two things.
First, it could mean that this Margaret Raeburn was unmarried.
Second, it could mean that the person who registered the death did not know what her father's name was, and if they didn't know that, how reliable is the information about her mother's maiden surname.
There's really no alternative to looking at the certificate. It costs less than a cup of coffee to view itr online - there is no need to order the certificate.
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There is a death for a Margaret Nelson 1930 Bridgeton age 76 years
Mothers maiden name Duncan no other name
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Ref 644/1/292
Rosie
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There is a death for a Margaret Nelson 1930 Bridgeton age 76 years
Mothers maiden name Duncan no other name
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Ref 644/1/292
Rosie
That sounds more likely... Nelson could be a misspelling of Neilson.
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I see that in the 1881 census, there's a household in Blantyre containing William Raeburn, 28; wife Margaret, 27; daughters Helen, Jane and Jessie; brother-in-law William Nelson, 21 and sister-in-law sister-in-law Helen Nelson, 16.
These siblings are a match for the family of Robert Neilson and Helen Duncan
Janet, 4 November 1855, Cambusnethan
Walter, 14 December 1857, Bothwell
William, 1 January 1860, Cambusnethan
James Duncan, 24 January 1862, Cambusnethan
Robert, 3 January 1864, Rutherglen, died 1865
Helen, 5 February 1866, Rutherglen
Robert, born 17 April 1869, Rutherglen, died 1870
Take a look at Janet's birth certificate. It will tell you, among other things, how many children Robert N and Helen D had had before the start of civil registration in 1855. It will also tell you where Robert and Helen were born and how old they were.
The 1871 census lists in Rutherglen Robert Neilson, widower, 38 and children Janet, Walter, William, James and Helen.
The 1861 lists Robert Neilson, 30; wife Helen, 26; and children Margaret, 7, Janet, 5; Walter, 3 and William, 1.
Helen Neilson or Duncan, 34, died in Rutherglen in 1870, mother's maiden surname Sommerville.
Robert Neilson, mother's surname Forsyth, died in Blantyre in 1901 aged 72. He may or may not be Margaret's father; his death certificate will clarify that.
In 1911 Margaret Raeburn, 57, is in a household in Glasgow Bridgeton with Jeanie Raeburn, 25, and in 1921 she is in a household with Adam Raeburn, 37.
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That sounds more likely... Nelson could be a misspelling of Neilson.
Not a misspelling, just a spelling variant.
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Thanks all, great guidance and information. I purchased the Scotland's People record for Margaret Raeburn, age 76 (m.s. McBride) however I discovered that none of the 3 individuals named on the certificate was Margaret Raeburn - it appears the scanned image does not actually match the name in the header so I've reported the issue to the National Records of Scotland office - hopefully they can locate the correct certificate and re-scan the image. Usually they handle requests quite promptly.
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Hi all, I managed to resolve the mystery of the missing record. Register House in Edinburgh acknowledged the error in their transcript and have located and uploaded the correct death certificate to Scotland's People (see attached).
It transpires that Margaret Raeburn (nee Neilson) died on 26/03/1930 from involvement in motor accident. Register House also provided me with findings of the inquest that sadly revealed she was knocked down by a motor van. It appears the incident happened between 1-2 months before her death.
Does anyone have access to the newspaper records? If possible I would like to find out please if the incident was reported in any local news?
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You can find the Glasgow Herald and Evening Times newspapers on Google Newspaper Archive FoC. Unfortunately though, there is no great search function and you have to search by going to the specific date of paper you are looking for and then "reading" the paper.
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Register House also provided me with findings of the inquest
There would not have been an inquest, because inquests (like coroners and probate) do not exist in Scots Law.
You need to look for a Fatal Accident Inquiry.
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Interesting, thanks for clarifying that. The extract they provided appears to be the conclusion of the FAI.
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You can find the Glasgow Herald and Evening Times newspapers on Google Newspaper Archive FoC. Unfortunately though, there is no great search function and you have to search by going to the specific date of paper you are looking for and then "reading" the paper.
The Google News Archive has the Glasgow Herald from 1806–1990. Like you say, it's not searchable by keyword, you can only go to a date and page then read through it.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC
Newspapers[dot]com has it 1820–1985 and you can use your Ancestry log-in. The snippet you see from a free search may be enough to spot something you're looking for. You can then use the Google archive to view the whole article for free.
Find My Past / British Newspaper Archive have the Glasgow Herald 1820–1900 and are also searchable. With the subscription sites you can also widen your search to include other Glasgow papers.