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Hi all
I have a brick wall for William Bailey/Bayley
He is my 4th Great Grandad born around 1796 (chistlehurst or deptford) died 1872 Greenwich Union. I am looking for his family and his parents.
I have found him living with his sister Caroline in 1861. His sister Caroline is a widow under the surname of BEDFORD. It looks like she has two children called John and Eliza Ann. I cannot find them under her maiden name so i think they was children who belonged to her husband. I cannot find a marriage cert between Caroline in her maiden name to Bedford. I think she was married before she married the Bedford man. I am struggling to find this ..
William Marries Diana Dean 1822 • Bromley, Kent...
In 1841 he is living in Chistlehearst Kent with Diana and his family. Surname was spelt Bayley job occupation Ag Lab. They have 5 children including Charlotte Bailey who is my 3rd great nan ...
all born in deptford ...
i would appricate any help...Thank you so much
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In 1861, Caroline and Dinah both give their birthplaces as Chislehurst, could they be the sisters, and William should have listed Caroline as his sister in law?
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Hi this would make sense with Caroline thank you ...
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Hi all
I have a brick wall for William Bailey/Bayley
He is my 4th Great Grandad born around 1796 (chistlehurst or deptford) died 1872 Greenwich Union. I am looking for his family and his parents.
I have found him living with his sister Caroline in 1861. His sister Caroline is a widow under the surname of BEDFORD. It looks like she has two children called John and Eliza Ann.
I cannot find them under her maiden name so i think they was children who belonged to her husband.
I cannot find a marriage cert between Caroline in her maiden name to Bedford. I think she was married before she married the Bedford man. I am struggling to find this ..
Have you found Caroline or the children on 1851 census or have you found their birth entries on FreeBMD and compare on GRO indexes to determine mother's maiden name? ??? I'm struggling to find them
1861c
Piece 395
Folio 27
Page number 5
Willm Bailey 64 Head
Dinah 60 Wife
Caroline Bedford 55 Sister
John D Bedford 18 Son
Eliza Ann Bedford 11 Daughter
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Can't find any of them either. I thought the initial after John's name was S rather than the D that has been transcribed, but not very clear.
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Wondering about naming patterns of William & Dinah/Diana’s children :-\
Are these all the children bpt Chislehurst Kent
Martin Bailey 13 Sep 1838
Charles Bailey 27 Jul 1834
Charlotte Bayley 22 Apr 1832
Horace Bailey 12 Apr 1829
Caroline Bailey 30 Oct 1825
Walter George Bailey 20 Apr 1823
1851 census William Bailey listed as Thos Wm Bailey 54 born Kent, coal merchant, Dinah 50 Chislehurst, Stephen Kensie s-i-l , their daughter Charlott 22 Chislehurst
Is this Dinah's baptism?
Diana Dean
Birth 16 Jan 1802
Christening 14 Feb 1802 Chislehurst, Kent
Father Thomas Dean Mother Elisabeth
There are also these Chislehurst baptisms same parents names
Elizabeth Dean 29 Jan 1797
James Dean 17 Jun 1787
Henry Dean 18 Sep 1791
Samuel Dean 12 Jan 1794
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I too am struggling, thought John D may have been John Dean.
SS
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Maybe Thomas and Elizabeth's marriage
St Pauls Deptford 15 Nov 1785, Thomas (widower) to Elizabeth Weatherley
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Wondering about naming patterns of William & Dinah/Diana’s children :-\
Are these all the children bpt Chislehurst Kent
Martin Bailey 13 Sep 1838
Charles Bailey 27 Jul 1834
Charlotte Bayley 22 Apr 1832
Horace Bailey 12 Apr 1829
Caroline Bailey 30 Oct 1825
Walter George Bailey 20 Apr 1823
1851 census William Bailey listed as Thos Wm Bailey 54 born Kent, coal merchant, Dinah 50 Chislehurst, Stephen Kensie s-i-l , their daughter Charlott 22 Chislehurst
Is this Dinah's baptism?
Diana Dean
Birth 16 Jan 1802
Christening 14 Feb 1802 Chislehurst, Kent
Father Thomas Dean Mother Elisabeth
There are also these Chislehurst baptisms same parents names
Elizabeth Dean 29 Jan 1797
James Dean 17 Jun 1787
Henry Dean 18 Sep 1791
Samuel Dean 12 Jan 1794
Hi yes this all them !
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Can't find a baptism for Caroline dean 1804
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Can't find a baptism for Caroline dean 1804
I haven't found anything either....Caroline, John D & Eliza Ann BEDFORD are proving elusive on the 1851 census ??? No births, deaths or marriages entries found ???
I took a look at the marriages online for William & Dinah children
Horace & Charlotte BAILEY
Horace 21 occ coal dealer married 1848 London
father William Bailey, coal merchant,
one wit Charlotte Bailey
Charlotte married 1851
father William Bailey occ coal merchant
The witnesses to this marriage were a
David BECKFORD & Caroline BAILEY
Looks as if they may have married 1864
Dec 1864 Bromley 2a 466
David BECKFORD
Caroline BAILEY
Only the transcript is available on Anc*y they married 28 Dec 1864
Caroline age 39 (bc1825) William Bailey
Brought forward the 1861 census posted previously
1861c Piece 395 Folio 27 Page number 5
Willm BAILEY 64 Head
Dinah 60 Wife
Caroline BEDFORD 55 Sister Chiselhurst Kent
John D 18 Son
Eliza Ann 11 Daughter
Not sure what to make of these entries ???
Are they connected to Caroline from 1861 census?
Ages are way out from 1861 census???
1851 census
Caroline BECKFORD ? Wife 26 laundress Kent Chislehurst
JOHN son 1 Kent Deptford
Edited - Is Caroline above the daughter born to William & Dinah Bailey born c1825?
JOHN David Blundon Backford
Baptism 4 Nov 1849 St Paul, Deptford, Lewisham
Father David, foreman of the oil coke mills Mother Caroline Abode Frances Street
Mar 1850
Beckford John David Blunden Greenwich 5 221
BECKFORD, JOHN DAVID BLUNDEN mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 05 Page 221
John David BECKFORD married 6 Oct 1872 Eliza Amelia BRYAN,
father David Dec’d - image on Anc*y
Eliza Hannah BECKFORD
Baptism 13 Feb 1853 St Paul, Deptford, Lewisham
Father David, foreman in linseed & oil coke works Mother Caroline
Abode Church St
Mar 1853
Beckford Eliza Hannah Dean Greenwich 1d 493
Beckford Eliza Hannah Dian Greenwich 1d 493
BECKFORD, ELIZA HANNAH DEAN mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 493
Eliza Hannah Dean BECKFORD age 18 married 9 Oct 1870 Bromley, Kent
Father David , Spouse George Albert Webb
BECKFORD, WILLIAM THOMAS SKINNER mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 703
William J BECKFORD Age 12 Birth 8 Oct 1866
Admission 11 Nov 1878 School Cubitt Town School
Guardian Stephen Peacock, 11 Barque Street
William BECKFORD Age 14
Relationship to Head Step Son
Where born Deptford, Surrey
Street Address 11 Barque St
Occupation Ropemaker
1881c Piece 512 Folio 70 Page number 3
Steven Peacock 68 Head
Caroline 45 (b1836) Chislehurst Kent Wife
Eliza WEBB 24 Step Daughter
Florence Webb 7 Granddaughter. >>>>> mn BECKFORD (GRO indexes)
plus lodger & visitor
Caroline BECKFORD age 39 married Stephen PEACOCK age 54 17 Aug 1873 Bromley, Kent Father William BAILEY - transcript only
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Well done Ladyhawk, a great bit of research and sleuthing.
SS
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We've done Caroline Bailey before, in 2023
Topic: Brick wall … or is it end of paper trail ?? 3x GGrandad ..
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=873737.0
Nevertheless, Emzunicorn01 started another thread a few months later :(
Topic: The mysterious Caroline Bailey please help
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=876066.0
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Can't find a baptism for Caroline dean 1804
I haven't found anything either....Caroline, John D & Eliza Ann BEDFORD are proving elusive on the 1851 census ??? No births, deaths or marriages entries found ???
I took a look at the marriages online for William & Dinah children
Horace & Charlotte BAILEY
Horace 21 occ coal dealer married 1848 London
father William Bailey, coal merchant,
one wit Charlotte Bailey
Charlotte married 1851
father William Bailey occ coal merchant
The witnesses to this marriage were a
David BECKFORD & Caroline BAILEY
Looks as if they may have married 1864
Dec 1864 Bromley 2a 466
David BECKFORD
Caroline BAILEY
Only the transcript is available on Anc*y they married 28 Dec 1864
Caroline age 39 (bc1825) William Bailey
Brought forward the 1861 census posted previously
1861c Piece 395 Folio 27 Page number 5
Willm BAILEY 64 Head
Dinah 60 Wife
Caroline BEDFORD 55 Sister Chiselhurst Kent
John D 18 Son
Eliza Ann 11 Daughter
Not sure what to make of these entries ???
Are they connected to Caroline from 1861 census?
Ages are way out from 1861 census???
1851 census
Caroline BECKFORD ? Wife 26 laundress Kent Chislehurst
JOHN son 1 Kent Deptford
Edited - Is Caroline above the daughter born to William & Dinah Bailey born c1825?
JOHN David Blundon Backford
Baptism 4 Nov 1849 St Paul, Deptford, Lewisham
Father David, foreman of the oil coke mills Mother Caroline Abode Frances Street
Mar 1850
Beckford John David Blunden Greenwich 5 221
BECKFORD, JOHN DAVID BLUNDEN mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1850 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 05 Page 221
John David BECKFORD married 6 Oct 1872 Eliza Amelia BRYAN,
father David Dec’d - image on Anc*y
Eliza Hannah BECKFORD
Baptism 13 Feb 1853 St Paul, Deptford, Lewisham
Father David, foreman in linseed & oil coke works Mother Caroline
Abode Church St
Mar 1853
Beckford Eliza Hannah Dean Greenwich 1d 493
Beckford Eliza Hannah Dian Greenwich 1d 493
BECKFORD, ELIZA HANNAH DEAN mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1853 M Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 493
Eliza Hannah Dean BECKFORD age 18 married 9 Oct 1870 Bromley, Kent
Father David , Spouse George Albert Webb
BECKFORD, WILLIAM THOMAS SKINNER mmn BAILEY
GRO Reference: 1866 D Quarter in GREENWICH Volume 01D Page 703
William J BECKFORD Age 12 Birth 8 Oct 1866
Admission 11 Nov 1878 School Cubitt Town School
Guardian Stephen Peacock, 11 Barque Street
William BECKFORD Age 14
Relationship to Head Step Son
Where born Deptford, Surrey
Street Address 11 Barque St
Occupation Ropemaker
1881c Piece 512 Folio 70 Page number 3
Steven Peacock 68 Head
Caroline 45 (b1836) Chislehurst Kent Wife
Eliza WEBB 24 Step Daughter
Florence Webb 7 Granddaughter. >>>>> mn BECKFORD (GRO indexes)
plus lodger & visitor
Caroline BECKFORD age 39 married Stephen PEACOCK age 54 17 Aug 1873 Bromley, Kent Father William BAILEY - transcript only
Thank you so much for your help xx
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We've done Caroline Bailey before, in 2023
Topic: Brick wall … or is it end of paper trail ?? 3x GGrandad ..
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=873737.0
Nevertheless, Emzunicorn01 started another thread a few months later :(
Topic: The mysterious Caroline Bailey please help
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=876066.0
I'm very sorry as I'm not very good at forums . I will click on that link and look over it again . Thank you