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Beginners => Family History Beginners Board => Topic started by: camillepf on Sunday 23 February 25 12:17 GMT (UK)
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Hello!
I am currently doing research on my partner's family tree. His last name is Oakleigh, which I have since realised there are very few of in the UK, leading me to believe this name has changed over time.
I have been successful enough to find up to his 2nd Great Grandfather:
Herbert Edward Oakleigh
B:abt 1873 Wick, Warwick, England
D:Oct 1919 Lambeth, London, England
Other than his marriage certificate from 1896, which states his father as "Richard Oakleigh (deceased)", I have absolutely no records for Herbert other than his time in Lambeth from 1901 onwards. There are no records of any siblings, a mother or his actual birth certificate.
I am very new to this and wondering what sort of steps I can now take. I can see there are a large amount of Oakleighs in Australia, however, they all seem to come from an area called Oakleigh and I just do not believe that they are related to our Herbert Edward Oakleigh.
I am aware the name could of been anything previous to Oakleigh, such as, Oak Lea, Ockley, Okeley, Oakley, etc. This is why I am struggling, I just can not find any information on how the name may have changed, it seems to be a very rare spelling for the time and area.
Any help is much appreciated, I understand I am new to this so apologies if I have not given enough information, but I am happy to share what I have if anyone thinks they may be able to help!
Thanks in advance.
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We can have another look for his birth and try to find him on census records.
You are right the name could have been written differently and changed over time.
Who were the witnesses on the marriage certificate? That can be helpful if they were relatives.
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There's a Richard Oakley marriage in Birmingham 1872 to Jane Hitchings but he seems to be alive and well in 1901. Nor does he have a son named Herbert Edward with him on census so guess not him.
Just putting down some options to investigate and rule in or out :)
Does father Richard have an occupation listed on the marriage or just deceased?
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Witnesses look like Henry Winter and Mary Golding. Father deceased
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Births Sep 1873
Oakley Hubert St. Geo. H. Sq. 1a 367
Maybe not - this is a different one - father Edmund. :-\
Hubert Wilson Oakley - 31 July 1873
Baptism Date 28 Dec 1873 St Peter, Eaton Square, Pimlico, London, England
Parish as it Appears SAINT PETER'S CHURCH, PIMLICO
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There's a Herbert Edward Checkley birth registered Sep 1871 Meriden district Warwickshire
Nope not him either :-\
Thank you for posting a copy of the marriage.
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I wonder - In 1911 his birthplace is Warwick Town and I found this bapt with father Richard
Herbert Edward Mann
Baptism Date 16 May 1872
Baptism Place Warwick, All Saints, Warwickshire, England
Parish Warwick, All Saints
Father Richard Mann
Mother Ann Mann
By 1881 the father had died and the last child Alice was baptised after his death and his occupation was listed as a Sawyer!
Alice Mary Mann
Baptism Date 20 Feb 1879
Baptism Place Warwick, All Saints, Warwickshire, England
Parish Warwick, All Saints
Father Richard Mann
Mother Ann Mann
Added - Maybe not - in 1891 he was a Private in the Marines and his mother hadn't remarried
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I wonder - In 1911 his birthplace is Warwick Town and I found this bapt with father Richard
Herbert Edward Mann
Baptism Date 16 May 1872
Baptism Place Warwick, All Saints, Warwickshire, England
Parish Warwick, All Saints
Father Richard Mann
Mother Ann Mann
By 1881 the father had died and the last child Alice was baptised after his death and his occupation was listed as a Sawyer!
Alice Mary Mann
Baptism Date 20 Feb 1879
Baptism Place Warwick, All Saints, Warwickshire, England
Parish Warwick, All Saints
Father Richard Mann
Mother Ann Mann
That is interesting Kay with a Herbert Edward Mann - 16 May 1872
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Hi all,
Thank you so much for your responses and help with this, and for sharing the certificate. I will take a look closer look at Herbert Edward Mann now, even if unlikely it is worth a shot.
Herbert Edward Oakleigh married Christina Oakleigh and had four children according to what I have found:
Herbert William Oakleigh
1898–1963
Alexander Valentine Oakleigh
1904–1986
Leonard James Oakleigh
1906–1978
Hilda Dorothy Oakleigh
1913–1943 (reason unknown)
All of the records I have for Herbert are in the name Herbert Oakleigh or Herbert Edward Oakleigh, bar his marriage record which is Hubert. Unsure if this is relevant but I thought it worth mentioning!
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Yes and he is in Hammersmith in 1891 with widowed mother, Ann Mann and his siblings!
Herbert (incorrectly transcribed as Herbert C. Mann) - is a Private in the Royal Marines.
(Richard had died before 1881 as the family were still in Warwickshire then).
Big coincidence!
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He joined the Marines in 1889 and his record is on the National Archives https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/D7764508 I can't see dates on the record post 1992
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Still on the 'Mann' surname -- Ann Mann, Herbert Edward Mann's mother, aged 69 -- is in Willesden, Middlesex - visiting a family, who may include her married daughter. If so, this married daughter has named a son Herbert Edward.
(Oh dear I am getting hooked up on the Mann family now!!)
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Sadly the mother's maiden name was Rose so using his mother's maiden name wouldn't work
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Yes - I found Richard Mann's marriage. Herbert's marine papers may help. I am wondering if he 'abandoned' the Marines and changed his name. I am making things up now.
It's just SO strange that Herbert Edward Mann disappears and Herbert Edward Oakleigh appears.
Also that the 'Mann' family move from Warwickshire to London, where Herbert Edward Eastleigh first appears, with a birthplace of Warwickshire.
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I looked at his marines records - free - and I can't see reference to him deserting but he did add a year to his age when he enlisted - born 6 April 1871
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Well done Kay. It was just a thought.
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I don't think birth dates were listed on death certs in 1919 unfortunately :-\
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Name Mr Herbert Oakleigh
Topic Other
Residence Date 30 Mar 1895
Residence Place London, Greater London, England
Publication Date 30 Mar 1895
Publication Place London, Greater London, England
Newspaper Title The Era
Not sure if same chap, no access to papers to see what it entails
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Name Mr Herbert Oakleigh
Topic Other
Residence Date 30 Mar 1895
Residence Place London, Greater London, England
Publication Date 30 Mar 1895
Publication Place London, Greater London, England
Newspaper Title The Era
Not sure if same chap, no access to papers to see what it entails
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Article doesn't refer to him. Its a misstranscription of a list of names - someone called Herbert listed before someone called (Miss Evelyn) Oakleigh.