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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Monaghan => Topic started by: RobinHighbury on Thursday 20 February 25 12:45 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I am not that experienced with researching my Irish roots and would appreciate any help. My main issue is finding the correct grandmother! Her name was Ellen Connolly (perhaps Ellen L Connolly) and she was born in 1880. A couple of family trees I have located on Ancestry say she was born in Monaghan, but I have not been able to confirm this. My mother told me she was born on 12 March 1880, but I have not been able to find any Ellen Connolly born on that date in Monaghan on irishgenealogy.ie. She moved to London, and her birthdate is confirmed on various censuses, and she died in 1955. She had seven children but never married, using her partner John Tavener's surname.
This may be mission impossible, but any tips or clues would be greatly appreciated.
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Is she the Ellen L Taverner in Highbury in 1939
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Yes, that's right
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The surname is frequently misspelt, but correct spelling is Tavener
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Do you have Ellen in 1911 and 1921? Does she just give Ireland as birthplace there?
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1911 as Nelly Connolly age 31 gives place of birth as Bromton, St Pancras
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWGJ-DY3?lang=en
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:) Thank you
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The 1911 link I have given does not include J T Tavener, he has been missed off
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Have you found her in 1901 and 1921.
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Info only, John Thomas Tavener and Ellen can be found in 1920-29 electoral registers at 27, Buxton Houses, Islington, by 1930-31 Ellen Louise still at this address, with daughter Mary Kathleen, NO John Thomas.
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As one of my favourite tv comedians Ricky Tomlinson would say "Irish my ****"
Here's her birth.
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;D ;D
Well done SS - Just adding it is Westminster reg District
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Parents marriage ??
Marriages Mar 1878
CONNELL William Henry Lambeth 1d 409
CONNELLY William Henry Lambeth 1d 409
CUMMINGS Mary Anne Lambeth 1d 409
IVES William Lambeth 1d 409
MILLS Eliza Lambeth 1d 409
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1881
RG11
Piece 124
Folio 68
Page 46
7 Dufours Place
William Connelly age 30 occ Porter
Mary Ann 23
Ellen L age 1
all born London
Plus Catherine Nood? Lodger age 51 Married occ Tailoress bn Surrey
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Even with a known address I still cannot find in 1921.
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That marriage of William Henry and Mary Ann is on Ancestry, it gives Williams occ as Printer ::)
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01tnu/
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Well done - great finds.
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FindMyPast have them as Savenor at 27 Buxton Buildings ;D
Ancestry also have Savenor
ADDED He is Thomas not John ::)
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The 1911 link I have given does not include J T Tavener, he has been missed off
Are you sure, checked your link and J T Tavener is at the top.
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The 1911 link I have given does not include J T Tavener, he has been missed off
Are you sure, checked your link and J T Tavener is at the top.
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I have just checked and strangely it has Nelly at the top for me. I am glad it is giving the full household for others. :)
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rosie99, with your wealth of research where are they in 1921.
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Here - found with clues from you ;D
FindMyPast have them as Savenor at 27 Buxton Buildings ;D
Ancestry also have Savenor
ADDED He is Thomas not John ::)
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Could this be JT's death
Dec qtr 1943
Tavener, John T age 68
Marylebone RD 1a 602
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Could this be his birth :)
TAVENER, JOHN THOMAS mmn KNIGHT
GRO Reference: 1875 D Quarter in PANCRAS Volume 01B Page 39
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added, this John's dob according to baptism is 27th August 1875
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Electoral registers showed John Thomas Tavener with Ellen until 1929. It would seem he died 1943.
I believe he set up home with Edith** and they appear together in 1939(dob as 4.9.1875)as just John & Edith.
They appear at the 1939 address in 1937 @ 103 New Cavendish Street as John Thomas Tavener and Edith
1936 they appear as John Thomas & Edith @ 43 Upper Marylebone Street
1932 John Thomas Tavener & Edith @ 101 Euston Street, St Pancras
1930 John Thomas Tavener & Edith @ 8, Wellington Street, St Pancras.
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Transpires Edith is Edith Desborough, married Robert MacRhind 1917, daughter who appears in 1939 with John & Edith born 1918.
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Very interesting birth.
Births Dec 1930
MacRhind John A (Albert) Desborough Pancras 1b 172
Tavener John A (Albert) Desborough Pancras 1b 172
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TAVENER, JOHN ALBERT 1930
GRO Reference: DOR Q3/2013 in BRIGHTON AND HOVE (452-1A) Entry Number 508726296
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After John Thomas death in 1943 we have this marriage
Marriages Sep 1951
GLOVER William MACRHIND Pancras 5d 1175
MACRHIND Edith GLOVER Pancras 5d 1175
By 1953 they are together with her son John A Tavener @ 8, Clipstone Street, Marylebone.
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Thanks so much for all that! I will go over all these interesting leads first thing.
Buxton Buildings is definitely correct (I remember my mother mentioning that address).
According to my DNA result on Ancestry (25% Irish), I should have family in Galway/Connemara – so I'm wondering if I can find an actual family link there.
Many thanks again!
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1911 as Nelly Connolly age 31 gives place of birth as Bromton, St Pancras
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWGJ-DY3?lang=en
Ellen Louisa Connelly appears twice in 1911, 1 as above, and 2 as below.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XW25-5M8?lang=en
The 3 siblings with her all have mmn Cummins/Cummings.
Youngest sibling Mary Catherine married Thomas J Opher 1913. Appears with him/children and her mother in 1921.
Father William Henry Connelly died 1903 aged 52 confirming a dob as 1850/51.
1901 census ref 97 147 25 (Conelly)
1911 ref 496
Deaths Dec 1935
Connelly Mary Ann aged 78 Pancras 1b 126
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Trying to establish if William Henry was born in england of irish parents but cannot find a birth or census pre 1881
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Having looked at the census for 1911 and 1921, I don't think she's in either one. The relatives are not those of my grandmother, I'm pretty certain.
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Is this not the birth then of Mary Catherine??
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Don't think so. Her daughter, Mary Katherine, was born in 1909 in Holborn.
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We are talking about the sister Mary Catherine of Ellen louisa, not a daughter of Ellen Louisa.
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Sorry, her daughter was Mary Katherine. Concerning Ellen, I understand that names are not always correct, but she is most often down as Ellen Louise Tavener (originally Connolly). So, I wonder if Ellen Louisa Connelly is the same?