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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Northumberland => England => Northumberland Lookup Requests => Topic started by: ndhubbard on Wednesday 19 February 25 08:33 GMT (UK)
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My ancestor James Steele emigrated to Ontario, Canada in the late 1850s. A newspaper article lists his place-of-origin as Berwick-on-Tweed. He was a blacksmith working on the railroads.
http://www.glanbrookheritage.ca/deathsjanjune1897.htm
Looking around in census data for that area of England between 1820-1860 (before James emigrated to Canada), the 1851 England Census for the Twizel district has a James Steel listed as an Apprentice at the Smithy. Seems like a possible lead: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6K-TBQ?lang=en
Likely this is the same individual born in Norham here -> https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/sources/L42V-XCD
However this other individual looks promising https://www.familysearch.org/en/tree/person/details/L8WQ-L1G -> his mother, Jessie Martin, could be the namesake for my James Steele's daughter, my 2ndgg Jessie M. Steele (not clear what the M. stands for, could be Martin if Jessie Martin was her grandmother).
His wife was Mary Young, also born ca. 1827 in England/Scotland.
Children (approximate birthdates and accurate marriage dates):
Jane Steele - b. 1853 in England (m. 1873 Benson Chrysler)
Jessie M Steele - b. 1855 in Canada (m. 1871 James Mungo Main)
Mary "Mamie" Steele - b. 1857 (m. 1881 James Delmer Mills)
Eliza Steele - b. 1859 (m. 1882 Frederick Elias MacDonald)
James Steele - b. 1864 (m. 1888 Jane Ellen Patrick)
Elizabeth "Lizzie" Steele - b. 1868 (m. 1889 Walter Dixon Jackson)
Isabella Steele - b. 1872 (m. 1889 to John Hamilton Terryberry)
Would love to find info on James & Mary's marriage, and know at least their parents' names to keep tracing these lines as I've been stuck for awhile. Thank you!
(previous thread with more info on this family once in Canada at this link:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=783557.msg7631668#msg7631668)
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Do you have his marriage as that should name his father. Sorry, I see you are looking for that.
How do you know that his wife was Mary Young
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Looking around in census data for that area of England between 1820-1860 (before James emigrated to Canada), the 1851 England Census for the Twizel district has a James Steel listed as an Apprentice at the Smithy. Seems like a possible lead: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SG6K-TBQ?lang=en
He was a 20 year old James Steel occupation Carpenters Apprentice bn Norham. He was lodging with Alexander Jaffrey occ Carpenter, presumably his employer
The next household was John Tait, a Blacksmith
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With regards to the possible Parents William/Elizabeth.
I can only find these bapts to them;
Golden Square Scotch Church United Secession Presbyterian, Berwick-Upon-Tweed, NBL
ISABELLA Steel 25 Oct 1819, 1st child, Father a Hind
MARGARET Steel 23 Aug 1821, 2nd child & 2nd daughter, Father a Keeper of the Toll Gate in Norham
WILLIAM Steel 25 Jan 1824, 3rd child & 1st son, abode Norham, Father a Miller
RICHARD Steel 19 Mar 1826, 4th child & 2nd son, abode Norham Mill, Father a Farmer
So from 1841 Census bapts missing for a few children.
Above on FreeREG
Trish :)
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Do you have his marriage as that should name his father. Sorry, I see you are looking for that.
How do you know that his wife was Mary Young
Gravestone, marriage & death records (for children) give Mary Young as wife’s name.
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Not sure about this on freecen but worth consideration?
1841 Norham, Norhamshire Northumberland (NBL)
abode White Burn, all born Co Durham.
STEEL family
William 45 Farmer, Elisabeth 40
Isabella 20 Ag Lab
Margaret 15 Ag Lab
William 15 Ag Lab
Elisabeth 13 Ag Lab
James 11
John 8
Robert 6
Colin
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Yes Colin that is the 1841 Census I was referring to re bapts :)
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Hi Trish, its the born Durham on 1841 census that looks unusual, no place of birth on 1841 normally, must be a freecen error.
Colin
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In 1841 Norhamshire was still a detached part of County Durham.
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:) Many thanks.
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In 1841 Norhamshire was still a detached part of County Durham.
What I should have said to explain this more fully, is that in 1841 they were shown as born in county, which has been transcribed as born in County Durham.
If they had been born in Norham, born in County Durham would be correct, since until 1844 Norhamshire ( along with Islandshire and Bedlingtonshire) was a detached part of County Durham within Northumberland.
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This online tree suggests he was born in Scotland, it also has daughter Jane born there :-\
https://ancestors.familysearch.org/en/KDSS-TF1/james-steele-1827-1897
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Anyone have any further thoughts based on the great info from JenB?
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Have you contacted the cemetery, just in case they might have records that go back that far? It's a long shot, but it doesn't hurt to try.
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Have you contacted the cemetery, just in case they might have records that go back that far? It's a long shot, but it doesn't hurt to try.
Ah, the cemetery in Ontario? No, that’s an interesting suggestion. I will try that.
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This from your original post.
Monday, April 19, 1897
STEELE - On April 19th, at his late residence, 160 Strachan Street East, James Steele, aged 70 years. Funeral private.
James Steele, 160 Strachan Street East, died this morning of inflammation of the lungs. Mr.. Steele was one of the oldest residents of the city having settled here in 1854, coming from Berwickon- Tweed. He was employed in the Grand Trunk shops for many years. He leaves a widow and a family of seven married children, as follows; Mrs. James Main, Mrs. B. Chrysler, Mrs. J.D.Mills, and Mrs. W. Jackson, of this city; Mrs. F. McDonald, Detroit; Mrs. J. Terryberry, Niagara Falls, N.Y., and James Steele, Woodstock. The funeral will take place on Tuesday afternoon, and will be private.
Berwick-upon-Tweed as a departure point:
While not a major emigration hub, Berwick-upon-Tweed did see some ships departing for Canada in the early 19th century.
Possible marriage record on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
JAMES STEELE to MARIA YOUNG
20/12/1846 Haddington (East Lothian)
This on freereg.
James STEELE to Maria YOUNG Marriage 20 Dec 1846
Haddington Parish Church, East Lothian
Witnesses: James YOUNG & David MORTON
Possible record in Edinburgh, others for James in the Edinburgh area.
MARIA YOUNG 11/07/1824 Canongate
JAMES YOUNG/SARAH MURRAY
Jane Steele - b. 1853 in England (No GRO record 1846-1854 mother Young)-Or Scotland?
Colin
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This from your original post.
Monday, April 19, 1897
STEELE - On April 19th, at his late residence, 160 Strachan Street East, James Steele, aged 70 years. Funeral private.
James Steele, 160 Strachan Street East, died this morning of inflammation of the lungs. Mr.. Steele was one of the oldest residents of the city having settled here in 1854, coming from Berwickon- Tweed. He was employed in the Grand Trunk shops for many years. He leaves a widow and a family of seven married children, as follows; Mrs. James Main, Mrs. B. Chrysler, Mrs. J.D.Mills, and Mrs. W. Jackson, of this city; Mrs. F. McDonald, Detroit; Mrs. J. Terryberry, Niagara Falls, N.Y., and James Steele, Woodstock. The funeral will take place on Tuesday afternoon, and will be private.
Berwick-upon-Tweed as a departure point:
While not a major emigration hub, Berwick-upon-Tweed did see some ships departing for Canada in the early 19th century.
Possible marriage record on https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
JAMES STEELE to MARIA YOUNG
20/12/1846 Haddington (East Lothian)
This on freereg.
James STEELE to Maria YOUNG Marriage 20 Dec 1846
Haddington Parish Church, East Lothian
Witnesses: James YOUNG & David MORTON
Possible record in Edinburgh, others for James in the Edinburgh area.
MARIA YOUNG 11/07/1824 Canongate
JAMES YOUNG/SARAH MURRAY
Jane Steele - b. 1853 in England (No GRO record 1846-1854 mother Young)-Or Scotland?
Colin
FYI, this is not the same couple in the marriage record. The couple in the marriage record stayed in Scotland. The wife died sometime prior to the 1891 census; the husband was still in Scotland for that census. The James Steele in Haddington was a horse trainer / horse breaker / groom. (I know this because their son married into my distant family and I wanted to know if they were the same couple as the one that moved to Canada.)
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Not sure about James Steele/Maria Young couple as they have a Son born Thomas Robertson Steele 14 February 1855 Haddington, Haddingtonshire
This James are in Scotland up to 1891 Census. Wife died before 1891 Census.
James born c 1819 Felton, Nbl on most Census.
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Sorry a few seconds behind but already typed up :)
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Not sure about James Steele/Maria Young couple as they have a Son born Thomas Robertson Steele 14 February 1855 Haddington, Haddingtonshire
This James are in Scotland up to 1891 Census. Wife died before 1891 Census.
James born c 1819 Felton, Nbl on most Census.
Yes, we posted at roughly the same time. This James Steele was a horse trainer / horse breaker / groom.
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Sorry a few seconds behind but already typed up :)
:)