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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: shawnfbrown on Tuesday 18 February 25 20:50 GMT (UK)
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My ancestor John Hughes, bachelor of full age, married Rachel Thomas 1854 in Parish of Llangynwyd. John Hughes residence Glamwyd Cottages, Maestag, occupation collier. Father Job Hughes, laborer.
John born 1830 per his death record and census data.
John listed his birthplace as Llanedy, Carmarthenshire in 1871 census.
i've tried searching for Job Hughes on census data, death data, general searches for Job Hughes to no avail. No information on his wife's name.
thank you.
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Is Job clearly spelt on the marriage cert or could it be John?
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Is Job clearly spelt on the marriage cert or could it be John?
It looks more like Job, especially in comparison to John Thomas, father of the bride, whose name is immediately underneath
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Given the Llangyfelach connections, this chap looks interesting in 1851
Pantlasau cottages, Clase, Llangyfelach. All born there except as stated
Job Hughes 50 widower b Carms, ag lab
Jane Hughes 16
Jemimah Hughes 7
David Hughes 4
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yes, on the marriage record it clearly says Job, in comparison to how Johnn is spelled.
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Yes, that census looks interesting.
1871 census for John Hughes and family in Pontyrpridd has boarder named David Hughes, age 24, which fits the son David age 4 living with father Job Hughes in 1851 census. Maybe John Hughes' brother? Although I've seen census reports list relation, not just as boarder.
are 1841 census data available to search?
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I may be on the wrong track
GRO suggests mother's maiden name of Bevan for Jemima and David Hughes
Job Hughes, Bachelor
Margaret Bevan, spinster
Marriage 13 Jun 1835 Llangyfelach,
First Witness Daniel Hughes
Second Witness John Rees
ie after John Hughes was born
1841 Glyncollen, Llangyfelach
John Hughes 30 [image clearly reads Job]
Margaret Hughes 30
Jane Hughes 6
Margt Hughes 4
David Hughes 2
N K 1day
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I think MB is likely on right track
There is a death of David Hughes age 2 from 1841 census same address Glyncollen
Name David Hughes
Death Age 3
Record Type Burial
Birth Date 1839
Death Date abt 1842
Burial Date 15 Feb 1842
Burial Place Llangyfelach, Glamorganshire, Wales
Another likely born in 1847
HUGHES, DAVID mmn BEVAN
GRO Reference: 1847 M Quarter in SWANSEA UNION Volume 26 Page 533
Margaret dies between likely 1847 & 1851 census, as Job a widower. 1851 census above.
Marriages Jun Q 1860
Hughes Job Neath 11a 708
Morgans Mary Neath 11a 708
I think below census - David is his & Jane is hers. Fits with Jane Morgan mother Mary in 1851
1861 Llansamlet
Job Hughes 47 Llannon, Carm
Mary Hughes 55
David Hughes 14
Jane Hughes 12
1871 - Job still with Mary & Stepson David Morgan age 32 at Llansamlet Job born Llannon
Possible death (if still in Llansamlet, registration would come under Neath. Maybe moved back)
Deaths Dec 1876 Hughes Job age 63 Swansea 11a 371
Cas
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Possible baptism for Job (images online)
Name Job Hugh
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 1810
Baptism Date 5 Apr 1810
Baptism Place Llannon, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Father William Hugh
Mother Margaret Hugh
Page number 27
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Possible for John
Name John Hughes
Baptism Age 0
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 1831
Baptism Date 1 Dec 1831
Baptism Place Llanarthney, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Father Job Hughes
Mother Mary Hughes image says Davies so likely unmarried. Possible not of the parish, no details recorded
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llanarthney
Scroll down on map and you will find Llannon, around 6/7miles away and also Llanedi/Llanedy to the right.
Cas
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Just to add think this is likely parents marriage. Image online.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62102/records/518057
Name William Hugh
Gender Male
Record Type Marriage
Marriage Date 6 Dec 1793
Marriage Place Llannon, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Residence Place Llannon
Spouse Margaret William
Page number 104
Found a few baptisms to couple in Llannon from 1802, these were all Anglican. Reply #8 has baptism for Job 1810
Cas
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The last is interesting as I think this maybe the Daniel that witnessed the 1835 marriage for Job & Margaret.
This is a non conformist baptism. The only thing I can think, is they changed denomination and the nearest chapel was in another town, there was not one in Llannon, or maybe they moved.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/2972/records/731587
Name Daniel Hagh (image is Hugh)
Event Type Baptism
Birth Date 19 Jun 1813
Birth Place Llannon, Wales
Baptism Date 26 Jun 1813
Baptism Place Llandebie, Carmarthenshire, Wales
Denomination Calvinistic Methodist
Father William Hagh (Hugh)
Mother Margaret William (married but most non conformist name the mothers maiden)
Found a likely census for Daniel - 1851. Married 1836 to Margaret Morgan - image online
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8861/records/15691037
Cas
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sorry for late reply to all your great information.
I'm a bit confused, but from your posts is this likely?
John Hughes
Baptism 1831, Llanarthney, Carm
Father Job Hughes
Mother Mary Davies, possibly unmarried.
This fits with 1871 Census, age 41 and Death record 1872, age 41. Father Job fits with John's 1854 marriage in Llangynwydd naming Job Hughes, father.
Then,
1835 Job Hughes marries
Margaret Bevan
Llangyfelach
1841 Census, Glyncollen, Llangyfelach
Job Hughes, 30 head
Margaret Hughes, 30
Jane Hughes 6
Margt Hughes 4 MMN Bevan
David Hughes 2 MMN Bevan
NK, 1 day
1841 David Hughes, age 3 dies
Llangyfelach
1847
David Hughes bornm MMN Bevan
Margaret (Bevan) Hughes dies sometime aft 1847 birth David Hughes and bef 1851 census. Maybe in childbirth?
1851 Census Llangyfelach
Job Hughes, widower, 50 ag lab (fits with 1854 marriage record naming his occupation)
Jane, 16
Jemimah 7
David 4
But, if this is same Job Hughes, his age was 30 in 1841 census with wife Margaret Hughes
1854 John Hughes marries Rachel Thomas, Llangynwydd Church. John resides Maestag, Rachel resides Llan Higher. John's father Job, laborer.
Was John Hughes in household of his mother Mary Davies growing up? He was not in Job Hughes household 1841 or 1851 census.
1860
Job Hughes re-marries
Mary Morgans, Neath
1861 Census, Llansamlet
Job Hughes, 47
Mary Hughes, 55
David Hughes 14
Jane Hughes 12
But, Job Hughes was age 50 in 1851 Pantlasau Cottages, Llangyfelach census as widower, and age 30 in 1841 Llangyfelach census with wife Margaret.
Cas, can you point me to source for the possible baptism of John Hughes, 1831, Llanarthney?
Based on census data alone for John Hughes, I'm having trouble with his birthplace. I'm most confident in overall facts of 1871 Census Ystradyfodwg, Pontypridd listing
John Hughes, head, age 41, coal miner, birth county Carm, birthplace Llanedy
Rachel Hughes, 35, Glamorgan, Llangyfelach
John, son 15, Glamorgan, Llwyni
Wm, son 13, Glamorgan, Llwyni
Richard, 9, Glam, Ystrad
Marg. Ann 6, Glam Ystrad
Eliz. age 3, Glam Ystrad
David, 1, Glam, Ystrad
David Hughes, boarder, age 24, Glam. Llangyfelach.
This census listing birthplace for John in Llanedy, Carm seems to fit with baptism you found for John
1831
Llanarthney, Carm
Father Job
Mother Mary Davies
I found an 1861 Census for a John and Rachel Hughes in Middle, Treherbert
John, age 29, birthplace Llangyvelach
Rachel, age 25, birthplace Llangyvelach
John, son age 5, birthplace Llangonod? I can't exactly decipher spelling
Wm 3 birthplace Llangonod.
I'm pretty sure this is same family--children are the same and the right ages. Birthplace for Rachel is correct, but for John it is not the same as his 1871 census. A mistake could have been made.
Thanks for any clarification you can give me.
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Been a while since looked at this family, but family layout, backed by records seem very plausible.
Image states illegit son of Job Hughes and Mary Davies
Possible Bapt - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62102/records/208726
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/60217/records/2013385
1841 census ages can be rounded down to nearest 5 normally over age 15. Also census ages can be quite variable many had little to no education, or there was enumerated error etc.
Births for sons 1861 is Llangonoyd also called Llangynwyd
https://ukga.org/index.php?pageid=16792
Cas
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Possible for John that would put him right place to meet wife
1851 - https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/8861/records/15534593
Possibly he was unsure were born?
Just to add Genuki gives 2.9 miles between Llannon & Llanedy/Llanedi
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/CMN/Llannon/
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Thank you for your reply and help. The baptism with illegitimate son John Hughes to Job Hughes seems likely; right age and father's name and county of birth.
Can you help me trace John Hughes in 1841 census? Living with his mother Mary Davies? Would baptism in Llanarthney mean that is residence of mother Mary Davies? Do these baptism records reflect baptism in established church of Wales, or all churches or nonconformist chapels?
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It looks like the baptism was Anglican. Usually non conformist bapts hold more detail, and state denomination. Also no other details listed on bapt such as address or occ so parent/s could have travelled to area for baptism.
Possible - Mother Mary could have married and he maybe under her married name - if with her.. I have looked but nothing stands out for John in 1841.
Added - Mary could also have died, under Davies or a married name. Also looked under John Davies.
Cas
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If baptism was Anglican, is there a likely church in Llanarthney? When I looked at the map link, it shows an area called Llanarthney and a village.
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Genuki link for Llanarthney village is reply #8 church info included there
Going back to image #3 on bapt register does not state where in Llanarthney