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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => London and Middlesex => Topic started by: Martin17 on Thursday 13 February 25 11:17 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to find out about Elizabeth Eliza Sparshott. She is recorded as being born in Brighton about 1874, but with various ages she has supplied it could be a few years either side.
She married John Emmanuel Albert Edwin Warwick 19th December 1909 at St Peters Church, Battersea, London. Elizabeth Eliza's father is recorded as being John Sparshott, a labourer, who is deceased when she marries. The couple had children together before and after their marriage, all in the London area. On the 1901 Elizabeth is recorded as being Ellen and married to John, but they do not marry until a few years later. They have a child, Edith Minnie.
I have looked everywhere for information regarding Elizabeth Eliza Sparshott from the 1870's to 1901, but have drawn a blank.
I would be very grateful if anyone can fill in any of the blanks for that period.
Kind regards
Martin
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Are all the children registered with the same mothers maiden name?
Marriage witness names can be helpful if relations so who were they please?
Possible she was already married to someone else hence the late marriage but matched the fathers surname to her own.
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1901 Elizabeth is recorded as being Ellen and married to John, but they do not marry until a few years later. They have a child, Edith Minnie.
I can't find that entry - when was Edith born?
Ok got it now transcribed as Warnick is that the right family? Maybe not :-\
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Thank you for your replies.
Witness to the marriage of John Warwick and Elizabeth Eliza Sparshott were Charles and Fanny Hewish, nee Warwick. Fanny Hewish nee Warwick is John's aunt.
Minnie Edith was born 8th Oct 1900 at Battersea, London. On the 1911 the children all carry the Warwick surname, at the GRO some carry the birth name Warwick Sparshott. Before the marriage on GRO, no mothers maiden name is given.
Regards
Martin
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Thank you for your replies.
Witness to the marriage of John Warwick and Elizabeth Eliza Sparshott were Charles and Fanny Hewish, nee Warwick. Fanny Hewish nee Warwick is John's aunt.
Minnie Edith was born 8th Oct 1900 at Battersea, London. On the 1911 the children all carry the Warwick surname, at the GRO some carry the birth name Warwick Sparshott. Before the marriage on GRO, no mothers maiden name is given.
Regards
Martin
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I wonder if we can find any more Sparshott family that could be her siblings and trace her that way.
There's a Sophia Elizabeth Spershott birth registered Brighton Dec 1873 mothers name Davis
Likely this marriage John William Spershott Sophia Davis registered Greenwich Sep 1868
There is a John who died age 25 and a Sophia Elizabeth who died young but this family could be unrelated so :-\
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Hi
Other children I can see
Harold Henry Farran Sparshott June 1898- Sep 1899 possible
Edith Minnie Warwick Sparshott Dec 1900 you already have
John Emmanuel Edwin Warwick Sparshott Dec 1902 Kensington
Albert 1903 Notting Hill whose birth I can't find
Charles William Warwick Dec 1904 Wandsworth
Louisa Sep 1906
Florence Dec 1908
Maud Ellen Warwick 27.7.1910
Frank Samuel June 1914
Arthur Cyril June 1916
Ruth Elizabeth Sep 1918
I've put in bold the names that seem to come from the Warwick side of the family
Ciderdrinker
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She is a real challenge isn't she :-\
There is a tree with private information but this could be yours?
I can't help feeling she must be related to the Brighton Sparshott family listed earlier but how.
A little odd she didn't marry until 39 was it? and after she had a child but no indication on the marriage she had been married before.
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John Spershott who married Sophia David/Davis was a coachbuilder. Father Henry
Looking for other children. There's a Rosina b Wandsworth who is the only child with mother in 1881, and never married. She and the Sophia Elizabeth who died young, as found earlier, enter a school together c 1877
Looks like there's also Charles Alfred b c1871 Lewishm By 1876 he's in the poor law school system and doesn't seem to return home. He ends up in Brighton as a young man
William b 1870 Greenwich - not finding what happened to him. Also admitted to the poor law school in 1876 (but there's another William, son of William and Mary A who this might be)
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Wandsworth Borough News, 25 June 1909
(free OCR text)
SCALDED TO DEATH. SAD FATE OF GRANT ROAD CHILD.
The inquest was held last Friday, by Mr. Troutbeck at the Battersea Coroner’s Court, on the body of a child, named Florence Spershott, aged 8 months, who died from the effects of scalds, through the upsetting of a saucepan of boiling water. John Warwick, of 96, Grant-road, said deceased was his daughter. He had lived with Elizabeth Spershott, and they had had five children, the deceased child being one of them. The accident happened on the Friday previous, but he did not know how it had occurred. Elizabeth Spershott, the mother, said on the Friday in question she was in the kitchen just going to make some tea. She was going to pour the water from a saucepan which was on the gas stove, when the deceased child, who was sitting on the other little girl's knee, in some way which witness did not notice, upset the saucepan, the boiling water falling on both of them. The Coroner: Have you got a kettle?—No. Why is that?—l could not afford to buy one. What wages have you coming in?—??s. a week, witness added that she took the child to the hospital immediately after the accident. Dr. Killen, of the Bolingbroke Hospital, said he saw the child when it was admitted. It was badly scalded and never rallied. It died on the Monday. Death was due to shock and extensive scalds. In addressing the jury, the Coroner remarked that gas stoves were not safe in a room where children were. A verdict of “Accidental death” was returned.
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Death on new GRO index
SPERSHOT, FLORENCE
Age at Death (in years): 0
GRO Reference: 1909 J Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 296
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Ancestry Census England 1911 at 15 Sewel Rd Battersea
WRIGHT John 38y b. Longacre
WRIGHT Lizzie 45y b. Brighton
WRIGHT Willie 6y b. Battersea
WRIGHT Albert 7y b. Notting Hill (cripple...crossed out)
WRIGHT Louie 5y b. Battersea
WRIGHT Florence 2y b. Battersea (crossed out)
WRIGHT Minnie 9y b. Battersea
married 16 months 6 children born 5 children living
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Do we have this info? Try this address in 1921, taken from electoral registers 1924-36.
32, Wayland Road, Battersea, London & Surrey, England
SS
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I think Martin is really wanting to find her origins from birth up to when she appears with John Warwick but every little helps. She is proving elusive to say the least :-\
Could she have been already married before John and fathers name on the marriage made up?
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Thank you to everyone who has read and replied to my enquiry.
I have copied all the replies and will be working my way through them over the coming days to try to resolve who the real Elizabeth Eliza Sparshott was.
I do have an extensive tree, but it is not on any public domain site.
To date, I have no information why John Warwick and Elizabeth Eliza did not marry before the birth of their first child and went on to have further children before they did marry. On the marriage certificate Elizabeth Eliza is recorded as being a spinster. Her father is recorded as John, a labourer, but deceased.
On 1921 John Warwick and family residing at 32 Wayland Road, with his own account working at 78 Grant Road.
Thank you all once again for your replies
Kind regards
Martin
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In that case if the private tree isn’t yours would certainly be worth contacting the owner to see what information she has got.
Added - the tree has born abt 1874 death 21 Feb 1940
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John Emmanuel Edwin Warwick Sparshott Dec 1902 Kensington
Albert 1903 Notting Hill whose birth I can't find
The same person perhaps?
I have remembered that we did look at this before, without really getting anywhere, and that I noted that in 1939 in Battersea they seem to appear as James and Emily Warwick, living at 32 Wayland Road.
Emily's transcribed date of birth was 23.2.1874
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Deleted.
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32 Wayland Road in 1929 has
Elizabeth Warwick
John sen
John Edmond Albt
Louisa (Miss)
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Elizabeth Eliza Warwick died 21st February 1940 at 32 Wayland Road.
SS
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Elizabeth Eliza Warwick died 21st February 1940 at 32 Wayland Road.
So it's the 85th anniversary of her death on Friday. Can the mystery be solved before then? :-\
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Doesn’t give us long does it. The tree owner might know something more might not.
She isn’t making it easy using every E name she can think of. Elizabeth, Eliza, Ellen, Emily plus a Lizzie thrown in for good measure.
Still seems unusual she didn’t marry or have children till later in life (by the standards in those days) and went on having children up to 1920 was it.
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Elizabeth Eliza Warwick died 21st February 1940 at 32 Wayland Road.
So it's the 85th anniversary of her death on Friday. Can the mystery be solved before then? :-\
The gauntlet is laid ;D. Please dispel this line of research
Marriage
Marriages Dec 1869
BAKER George Brighton 2b 413
SPARSHOTT Rebecca Brighton 2b 413
1871 census ref 1077 119 22.
Birth
BAKER, EMMA ELIZA SPARSHOTT
GRO Reference: 1876 M Quarter in BRIGHTON Volume 02B Page 259
Currently not finding family in 1881 onwards
!!! may have married 1896?
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Possibly transcribed as Bruce in 1881
Yes I think so, married 1896 as you say.
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Another one to investigate
Marriage Mar 1866 Petworth
John Spershott
to
Sarah Limer
One of the witnesses is Charlott Spershott
Can't find them after 1871 when they are in Surrey
John 27 ag lab
Sarah 24
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Possibly transcribed as Bruce in 1881
Yes I think so, married 1896 as you say.
Yes - looking at the image the Bruces are actually Bakers
Emma is a servant in 1891 and marries Stephen Akehurst in 1896 - can be followed with him from then on (and always called Emma).
So she's out
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Once again, thank you to everybody who have read and responded to my enquiry.
Softly Softly
I have chased the Baker family up to 1911. Father George employed as a paper hanger all the way through, starts of being born in Epping 1871 census, then thereafter Epsom, Surrey. George remarries in 1895 to Eliza Emma Miles. You are right Baker transcribed as Bruce on 1881 census. Emma Eliza Baker baptised 12th April 1876, parents George and Rebecca residing 43 Wood Street, George employed as a paper hanger. 1891 Emma Eliza Baker is 15 years old and employed as a domestic servant at 59 Beaconsfield Street. 1896 in the Oct Dec quarter it appears that Emma Eliza Baker marries Stephen Akehurst in Brighton.
Milliepede
I am with you on the John Spershott marrying Sarah Limer 20th Jan 1866, after 1871 I was unable to find them anywhere, not sure where they have gone.
Mabel Bagshawe
I am with you, I believe Emma Eliza Baker marries Stephen Akehurst in 1896.
Not sure where to go from here at the moment, any further information or theories would be welcomed.
Kind regards
Martin
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Not sure where to go either :-\
Currently looking at possible baptisms in Sussex and whilst this isn't her another spelling popped up of
Spashett/Spashott
Are there any other documents that might yield a scrap of information? Any other newspaper reports or have we exhausted those.
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Other children I can see
Harold Henry Farran Sparshott June 1898- Sep 1899 possible
Just wondering, if that was their child, if the "Farran" name could be a clue?
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Hi Milliepede
I did wonder if the child with Farran in the forename was Mr Farrans child, but he did not marry Miss Sparshott. There were Farran families in the Wandsworth area at the time.
Kind regards
Martin
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On the 1901 Elizabeth is recorded as being Ellen and married to John
Has Martin got any of the early birth certificates, particularly that of Edith Minnie?
Is her name Elizabeth on them?
I don't see a baptism for Edith (I may have missed it of course), we don't know where exactly she was born, where they were living. They were "visitors" in 1901.
Possibly Elizabeth was illegitimate herself? She may have been told her father was a Sparshott, and later used the name? :-\
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Hi Jonwarrn
I do not have birth certificates for any of this branch of the family, but I do have the following:
Sparshott, Edith Minnie Warwick born 1900 in the Oct Dec quarter in the district of Wandsworth, Vol 1D Page 625, no mothers maiden name given. No mention of Elizabeth.
Regards
Martin
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Info only, Edith Minnie Warwick Sparshott was born 9.10.1900 @ 54 Webbs Road, Battersea, mother Elizabeth Eliza nee' Sparshott, no father listed. She did marry George T Nunn in 1922, appears as M Nunn in 1939 with that dob and probably dies aged 67 in 1968 Wandsworth.
SS
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Oh wow, well done again SS.
So Elizabeth Eliza from the start.
On FreeBMD the only one of those in Brighton in the time frame is E E Hotchkiss, June 1875.
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Oh wow, well done again SS.
So Elizabeth Eliza from the start.
On FreeBMD the only one of those in Brighton in the time frame is E E Hotchkiss, June 1875.
Her mmn was Hall, mother Mary Ann Hall, father Thomas. Thomas died 1887, Elizabeth Eliza appears in 1901/11 as Lizzie Hotchkiss, not our lady.
SS
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Oh well, another idea bites the dust!
Not sure where to go either
We are probably running out of options.
Perhaps this one is going to defeat us :(
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Hi SoftlySoftly and Jonwarrn
Thank you both for your further information regarding Elizabeth Eliza Sparshott and the possibilities that could have been her, and information that determines that it is not her.
Thank you for the birth address for Minnie Edith, well done.
Unless we or someone else can pull a rabbit out of hat, Elizabeth Eliza Sparshott may become another family history mystery. Again a massive thank you for everybody's efforts to date for trying to resolve my enquiry.
Kind regards
Martin
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Like other's I don't like to admit defeat but she has beaten me hands down pre 1901.
SS
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Another one to investigate
Marriage Mar 1866 Petworth
John Spershott
to
Sarah Limer
Can't find them after 1871 when they are in Surrey
John 27 ag lab
Sarah 24
1871 in Chiddingfold
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VRN6-NFS
Might be him, lunacy record from ESRO
Reception document: John SPARSHOTT
16 September 1878
https://www.thekeep.info/collections/getrecord/GB179_HC_1_2_2_24_3454
Says he died.
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Hi, Elizabeth is my 2nd great grandmother who I also found on my family tree search :)
The birth area of Burlesdon, Hampshire checks right alongside 1870.
Parents are Louisa Walter/Waller and John Sparshott. They were bakers and greengrocers.
She married John Warwick who i can see was from Brighton, they lived in battersea and he was a dustman.
If I can help with anything else let me know :)