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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: James Alan Riley on Monday 10 February 25 21:32 GMT (UK)
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Hello chaps,
I'm a Riley living in Lancashire, 30, I'm looking for descendants of my earliest known relative Joseph Riley b. c1798
My family history can be found on this website: https://camptonfamily.uk/riley-family/
My link to this family tree is my g.g.grandfather Henry Riley b. c1886 - he had 8 siblings - I believe 5 died before reaching the age of 10, but 2 of his brothers and his sister survived, alas they we're estranged, though I would like to meet any living relatives if they're still in Lancashire.
If I do have any relatives reading this message I'd be curious to know if you have any information on Joseph Riley - in any case, recent information about your closest relatives would allow for me to create a more complete version of our family tree :)
Warm regards,
James Riley
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Have you checked the Surname Interests Board to see if anybody is researching the same family?
Scroll to bottom of this page & link is under TOOLS
See you have also posted your interest on this post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1754.18
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Where in Lancashire?
A person named Riley was witness to my paternal grandparents marriage in 1896.
This was in Manchester ,near the city centre ,an area known as Collyhurst .
Written about by Engels ,as ‘ “The worst slum in Europe” .
Nevertheless there were good respectable families there ,the conditions were imposed upon the people, they did not create them .
A long shot but just a chance it might help.
Viktoria.
I don’t have access to my records just now but Henry Addy married Mary Blakemore in 1896 at St Catherine’s Collyhurst
Addresses were Bronze Street and Worth Street.
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Have you checked the Surname Interests Board to see if anybody is researching the same family?
Scroll to bottom of this page & link is under TOOLS
See you have also posted your interest on this post
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1754.18
Hi,
Yeah I checked that chat and commented also, none of the families mentioned in that thread are included on my family tree, though they may be relatives without knowing. I left a few people messages about their 18th and 19th century relatives.
Thanks
James
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Where in Lancashire?
A person named Riley was witness to my paternal grandparents marriage in 1896.
This was in Manchester ,near the city centre ,an area known as Collyhurst .
Written about by Engels ,as ‘ “The worst slum in Europe” .
Nevertheless there were good respectable families there ,the conditions were imposed upon the people, they did not create them .
A long shot but just a chance it might help.
Viktoria.
I don’t have access to my records just now but Henry Addy married Mary Blakemore in 1896 at St Catherine’s Collyhurst
Addresses were Bronze Street and Worth Street.
Hi,
My Riley family spans nine generations over 200 years and dates back to the late 18th century and the birth of Joseph Riley around 1798. Many of his descendants were born in the heart of London, particularly in the areas north of the river in Islington and Hackney.
Though my family roots w/ my g.g.grandfather and his parents seem to be based in Accrington/Burnley - there's probably a story behind that movement from London to Lancashire but I'm not aware of it.
Regarding your grandparents marriage, that year suggests it could have been one of my 3rd gen relatives perhaps; impossible for me to know. There's over 10,000 Riley families in Lancashire so probably unlikely to be one of my relatives tbh.
Thanks
James
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There are some trees on Ancestry by descendants of Henry Riley.
One has Joseph born in 1792 in Romford, Essex.
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On another thread you have posted:
Also, I just found a chart for the Riley family tree ^_^
https://camptonfamily.uk/riley-family/
My family chain branches off from Henry Riley (b. c1886)
Do you have records to link you to this Henry?
At what point do his descendants move to Lancashire?
Is he the Henry Arthur Riley born in Southwark and died in Cornwall?
It is best to go back from yourself - not naming anyone who is still living though on here.
Do you have an ancestor in 1921 or 1911 census records, for example?
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On this thread, you have added posts, similar to here but included a bit of a tree - the dates look a bit wrong though for Riley g grandfatber and gt gt grandfather.
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=1754.msg7628713#msg7628713. (Posts 23 and 24).
As i wrote before, names of living people should not be posted.
From your post:
Hello chaps,
I'm James Alan Riley living in Lancashire.
My father is
My grandfather is
My g.grandfather was Harry Riley [1904 - 27/02/1981]
My g.g.grandfather was Henry Riley who married Sarah Annie (Riley) in the 1920's
I don’t want to post wrong information but i wonder if this sequence is familiar?
Birth
1904 Henry Riley, Burnley - mother’s name Farrar
Marriage
1901 Henry Riley and Sarah Annie Farrar - Habergham Eaves
I haven’t posted any census details until you take a look.
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George Riley born 30 January 1832 married Elleanor/Ellen Carter 5 December 1852 St John the Evangelist, Lambeth
Children from GRO Index with mother's maiden name Carter
George William 1854 reg. Clerkenwell
*Edwin Charles 1856 Born 8 January from baptism at St Luke later becomes Edward Charles.
Ellen 1858 reg. West London born 7 July 1858 also baptised at St Luke
William 1861
Arthur 1863
Joseph 1865
Mary Ann Catherine 1868 reg. Holborn
Alice Catherine 1871 reg. London City
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Edward Charles Riley- Book Binder marries Lydia Minnie/Miami Mackenzie 19 December 1875 St Jude London.
His father George - Printer
Her father Alfred -Stage Carpenter
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Joseph Riley - Shoemaker married Catherine Poole 23 July 1816 St Mary Lambeth
Children
Joseph William bap. 27 July 1817 of Bride Lane- Lying in Hospital
Catherine bap 25 April 1819 St Bride's born 15 March 1819, Buried 22 October 1820 age 19 months died of convulsions
William Henry bap 14 April 1824
Lying in Hospital, buried 20 June 1824 age 10 weeks - inflammation.
Sarah born 3 September 1828
George born 30 January 1832
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Sarah Riley (1828) married William Henry Jacob(s) 1849 he is a Plasterer
children
Emily Harriett Jacobs reg. 1850
William Henry Jacobs 1852 (born 15 February bap 4 June 1852 St Andrew Holborn)
possibly more
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I don’t understand where the link is from the family amondg has posted to Lancashire, though.
In your earlier post, James, you wrote:
“My g.grandfather was Harry Riley [1904 - 27/02/1981]
My g.g.grandfather was Henry Riley who married Sarah Annie (Riley) in the 1920's”
Your great great grandfather would not be marrying in the 1920s, if his son, your great grandfather was born in 1904. Unless, of course, it was a second marriage.
Also, in this thread, you say your gt gt grandfather, Henry Riley was born 1886.
Do you have him in a census with his son, your ancestor?
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sorry I'm new to family trees. it's probably unconnected but I think my family may have an Isobel Riley ancestor. mum's mother Ethel
Mary Hallewell ne Knowles (think her mum's maiden name miss Shaw) was from Oswaldtwistle Lancashire. she married Reginald Hallewell in 1938 but in their chemist records the business got recorded as Reginald hollowell one time and I see that surname on your tree.
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Next connection.
Edward Charles Riley = Lydia Miami Mackenzie
Children GRO Index with mother's maiden name Mackenzie
Lydia Elizabeth reg 1876 Strand
Alice Maud reg. 1879 Holborn
Ethel Pauline reg 1881 Holborn
Edwin William reg 1883 St Saviour Surrey
Henry Arthur reg. 1885 St Saviour Surrey
Jack Percy reg. 1887 Holborn -- died 1887 reg. Holborn age 0
Albert Percy reg. 1888 Holborn
Leonard Sydney reg. 1890 Holborn --- died 1894 age 3 reg. London City
May Olive reg. 1893 Holborn
Ivy Winifred reg. 1895 Holborn
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1911 census 2 Upper Vernon Street, King's Cross Clerkenwell
wife Lydia states married 35 years 10 children, 8 living 2 deceased.
ADDED
1901 Edward is now back to being Edwin, same 1911
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Next generation
Edwin William Riley of 2 Upper Vernon Street age 21, Instrument Maker father Edwin Charles Riley -Book Binder
married at St Mark, Clerkenwell 11 December 1909
Emily James of 3 St James Walk age 27 , father Henry James - Boot Maker
Witnesses Albert Percy Riley (brother of Edwin) Thomas James, Florence James
Children:
Edwin James Courtney Riley 1910 reg, Islington -Buried Chingford Mount Cemetery 29 August 1911 age 1
Leonard Francis 1911 reg. Hackney
John Frederick 1914 reg. Wandsworth
Madeline Edwina 1918 reg. Lambeth
Based on census as there are many Riley/James children in the London, Middlesex, Surrey districts.
The 2 in St Pancras 1913 and 1915 are a different family.
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I am so very doubtful of this connection as you may gather, amondg.
James states that Henry b 1886 is his ancestor.
“ My link to this family tree is my g.g.grandfather Henry Riley b. c1886 - he had 8 siblings - I believe 5 died before reaching the age of 10, but 2 of his brothers and his sister survived, alas they we're estranged, though I would like to meet any living relatives if they're still in Lancashire.”
I asked earlier, “ is he the Henry Arthur Riley born in Southwark and died in Cornwall?”
You have worked so hard in your research amondg, have you found any Lancashire links from Henry’s descendants as James describes?
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I wanted to make sure the families were connected, I'll look at Henry next.
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Henry Arthur Riley who married Dorothy Nobbs 1920 reg. Fulham was born 6 July 1895 per 1939
register.
Ten years younger than than the Henry Arthur son of Edward/Edwin and Lydia reg 1885 Lambeth.
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Henry Arthur Riley is with his family 1901 at 6 Baker Street, Clerkenwell age 16.
I think he is the Henry Arthur Riley who married Ellen Anderson 12 November 1904 at Emmanuel, Hornsey Road.
He says he is 22 (a carpet planner) but really 19 his father is Henry Riley- Book Binder this could be another fib.
His father Edwin was a Book Binder the witnesses are both from her family Richard Anderson and Alfred Anderson, her father being Alfred.
1939 he is in Hendon Middlesex with a DOB of 27 April 1885 which ties in with the Riley/Mackenzie birth 1885.
His wife Ellen/Nellie was born 11 March 1884.
Children- all reg. Islington with mother's maiden name Anderson
Doris Anne 1905
Henry Albert 1908
Nellie Elsie 1911
Alfred William 1913
Henry Arthur 1915
Jenny Lydia 1920 -twin
Ethel Joan 1920 - twin
Sydney James 1924 died 1925. age 1
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Thank you.
Hopefully James will be back to look through your research and give us more information re the Lancashire links.
He mentions Harry as son of Henry i think. That of course could still be Henry.
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I don’t understand where the link is from the family amondg has posted to Lancashire, though.
In your earlier post, James, you wrote:
“My g.grandfather was Harry Riley [1904 - 27/02/1981]
My g.g.grandfather was Henry Riley who married Sarah Annie (Riley) in the 1920's”
Your great great grandfather would not be marrying in the 1920s, if his son, your great grandfather was born in 1904. Unless, of course, it was a second marriage.
Also, in this thread, you say your gt gt grandfather, Henry Riley was born 1886.
Do you have him in a census with his son, your ancestor?
Thank you for you message, no I haven't managed to find his census data yet, I asked my granparents for information and they were only able to give me a few pieces of info.
Henry Riley (they didn't know how his parents or his date of birth) only that he was married in the 1920s to Sarah Annie Riley. Henry had 8 siblings, 5 died, leaving two brothers and a sister. henry had two sons:
Walter Riley b.1913 d.1942 (died in WW2 Laconia Incident)
Harry Riley b.1904 d. Feb 27th 1981
They lived in Lancashire and had ancestors that lived in Accrington/Burnley area.
I'm going to talk through this feedback with my family later this week, as now I'm not sure if that Henry Riley in the attached family tree is my g.g.grandfather for certain. I'm going to see if I can find my grandfather's birth certificate and then find his father's birth certificate and so on. I did try this at an earlier date but didn't have much luck.
I've attached a page from Walter Riley's military record, on it you can see his mother is Mrs S. A. Riley, living at the address: 110 King St. Stretford, Manchester, as of 07/07/1940. He was a shop assistant in London. He was Born in Burnley, West Ward, lancashire on 03/07/1913 (note: that address no longer exists as of 1963 after the ww2 Blitz, the area was decimated and the council decided to build an arndale center over the area.)
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Glad you are back, James.
I think your family are mixing generations. I wrote earlier:
I don’t want to post wrong information but i wonder if this sequence is familiar?
Birth
1904 Henry Riley, Burnley - mother’s name Farrar
Marriage
1901 Henry Riley and Sarah Annie Farrar - Habergham Eaves
I haven’t posted any census details until you take a look.
There is this family in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4MJ-FHN?lang=en
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Glad you are back, James.
I think your family are mixing generations. I wrote earlier:
I don’t want to post wrong information but i wonder if this sequence is familiar?
Birth
1904 Henry Riley, Burnley - mother’s name Farrar
Marriage
1901 Henry Riley and Sarah Annie Farrar - Habergham Eaves
I haven’t posted any census details until you take a look.
There is this family in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4MJ-FHN?lang=en
Everything here points towards them indeed being the ones! I was told they had a shop and sold things aswell. Not sure who Doris is - I'll ask my grandad if he recognises a Doris Riley.
Thanks for this :)
Edit: Just spoke to grandad and he says that Doris was infact Henry's sister and that it makes sense for the father to be called Henry also. Also my grandad is saying that his father was called Harry but he thinks his actual name was Henry who was born on 1904 which matches the records you've provided. Therefore, my g.grandad is Henry (not harry) born 1904 and my g.g.grandad also Henry was born est. 1876.
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She was born 1902 with mother’s name Farrar so would be Henry’s sister.
1901 3873 /30/9
10 Leaver Street Burnley
Henry Riley 25yrs Hawker of Pots b Blackburn
Sarah A 22 yrs Cotton Weaver b Burnley
Now this is where it gets a bit difficult. You need to purchase the marriage record for
Henry Riley and Sarah Annie Farrar. They married at All Saints, Habergham Eaves but unfortunately those records do not seem to be online.
This would confirm Henry’s father’s details.
These sites can be helpful
https://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
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If this is the right family, they are living in Hulme, Manchester in 1921.
That census confirms Doris and Walter as Henry’s siblings.
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She was born 1902 with mother’s name Farrar so would be Henry’s sister.
1901 3873 /30/9
10 Leaver Street Burnley
Henry Riley 25yrs Hawker of Pots b Blackburn
Sarah A 22 yrs Cotton Weaver b Burnley
Now this is where it gets a bit difficult. You need to purchase the marriage record for
Henry Riley and Sarah Annie Farrar. They married at All Saints, Habergham Eaves but unfortunately those records do not seem to be online.
This would confirm Henry’s father’s details.
These sites can be helpful
https://www.lancashirebmd.org.uk/
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
Thank you so much! Just spoke with my grandad about all this info and he confirmed the details. I'll look into getting the records about Henry Riley b. c1876. My grandad is telling lots of stories now - just triggered his memories :P
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That’s great news.
Here is a family in 1911 - John Riley and spouse Margaret Shorrocks
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4MF-TML?lang=en
In 1881 and 1891, they have a son Henry with them. They had 10 children but none dead by 1911.
You can see baptisms on Lancs opc https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
St Mary the Virgin Blackburn.
There is a great list of children but i think the ones with the address Peter Street, John Robert 1880, Joseph, 1881, Jonathan 1886 and Harry 1888 are a different family.
The marriage certificate would help re father.
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That’s great news.
Here is a family in 1911 - John Riley and spouse Margaret Shorrocks
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4MF-TML?lang=en
In 1881 and 1891, they have a son Henry with them. They had 10 children but none dead by 1911.
You can see baptisms on Lancs opc https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/
St Mary the Virgin Blackburn.
There is a great list of children but i think the ones with the address Peter Street, John Robert 1880, Joseph, 1881, Jonathan 1886 and Harry 1888 are a different family.
The marriage certificate would help re father.
Yeah I asked my grandad regarding Henry b. est.1876 about his siblings and he said that he's actually not sure - so I wouldn't rely on anything he said about Henry's siblings (if there are any), he might be confusing them with someone else.
I don't see Henry on the list of children here: https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X4MF-TML?lang=en
Where are you seeing that?
I'll see if I can find the marriage records on the UK GRO - not done it before, will let you know what I find.
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Henry is married by 1911 - i gave you those links but he is with his family in 1881 and 1901.
That is if it is the right family, of course.