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Title: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Thursday 06 February 25 11:00 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

Can anyone that has a bit of spare time jump on to BDM New South Wales and have a search for this family's documents for me please?

I have already looked and found what i think is the key to my question however id like an unbiased eye to see if i am going in with blinkers on and missing something or not.

Mrs M Carter 98 (living so i cant give away to much) is the only daughter of:

John and Rita Carter of Newcastle

I have found what i believe is their marriage cert which reveals the maiden name of the bride as the possible surname of the father of my illegitimate grandmother

So if you find a marriage record could you post the record number and the brides maiden name so i can see if I'm correct or not

Thank you so much for your help
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: DavidG02 on Thursday 06 February 25 12:03 GMT (UK)
17249/1921 CARTER JOHN L STYMAN RITA HAMILTON

Number Groom Bride Location
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: Dundee on Thursday 06 February 25 12:10 GMT (UK)
I have no idea what your question is but there is only one marriage in NSW between a John CARTER and any woman named Rita between 1788 and 1970.

Debra  :)

Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: Neale1961 on Thursday 06 February 25 22:59 GMT (UK)
Mrs M Carter 98 (living so i cant give away to much) is the only daughter of:

Like Debra, I have no idea from your post what you want to know.
However as you call her Mrs. Carter, this is her married name, and you really want her maiden name if you are looking for her parents.
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Thursday 06 February 25 23:07 GMT (UK)
I have no idea what your question is but there is only one marriage in NSW between a John CARTER and any woman named Rita between 1788 and 1970.

Debra  :)


I apologize in my excitement last night i didn't explain myself well, like you i could only find one marriage.
I was asking someone else to double check as i want to make sure i wasn't 'finding what i wanted to see' to break down a brick wall and ignoring something i should be seeing hence asking an objective crowd with no link to my problem. Does that make better sense? LoL


17249/1921 CARTER JOHN L STYMAN RITA HAMILTON

Number Groom Bride Location

Thank you very much  :)
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Thursday 06 February 25 23:11 GMT (UK)
Mrs M Carter 98 (living so i cant give away to much) is the only daughter of:

Like Debra, I have no idea from your post what you want to know.
However as you call her Mrs. Carter, this is her married name, and you really want her maiden name if you are looking for her parents.

Carter is her maiden name i purposely didn't use her married name as to make her harder to identify, it is actually her parents marriage and mothers maiden name that I'm trying to confirm
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: judb on Friday 07 February 25 01:07 GMT (UK)
The marriage found by David G02 was
17249/1921 CARTER JOHN L STYMAN RITA HAMILTON

There is a birth of a child to this couple listed on NSWBMD

1923, reg 18892 at Lambton
Isabel CARTER
Parents: JOHN L, RITA
So if this is your "Mrs Carter" it suggests that the mother's surname before she married John Carter  was STYMAN.

However,  there is a death for this child
1923, reg #6545 at Lambton
Isabel M Carter
Death Place   Lambton, New South Wales
Parents:  John L,    Rita
Registration Number   6545

She is buried at Sandgate Cemetery, Newcastle,
Plot, Wesleyan_Methodist; Section FSW; Plot 59


Judith
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Friday 07 February 25 01:30 GMT (UK)
The marriage found by David G02 was
17249/1921 CARTER JOHN L STYMAN RITA HAMILTON

There is a birth of a child to this couple listed on NSWBMD (haven't put full name but it's ready available on NSWBMD)

1923, reg 18892 at Lambton
Ixxxxxxx CARTER
Parents: JOHN L, RITA
So if this is your "Mrs Carter" it suggests that the mother's surname before she married John Carter  was STYMAN.

However,  there is a death for this child
1923, reg #6545 at Lambton
Isabel M Carter
Death Place   Lambton, New South Wales
Parents:  John L,    Rita
Registration Number   6545

She is buried at Sandgate Cemetery, Newcastle,
Plot, Wesleyan_Methodist; Section FSW; Plot 59


Judith

Looks like she wasn't the only child of the parents after all but the only surviving child. thank you for finding that information.

now to think of a gentle way to pass that on to the family  :(
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Friday 07 February 25 01:46 GMT (UK)
Iv just ordered Rita Carters Death Cert Transcript and her Mother's Evelyn/Eveline Amelia Styman also.

Hopefully I'm barking up the correct tree to confirm what i think is true

thank you all for your help :)
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Friday 07 February 25 01:59 GMT (UK)
 Birth
STYMAN Rita
12512/1899
F. FREDERICK
M. EVELYN A
At HAY


The funeral notice of Frederick STYMAN includes “friends of Mr and Mrs J L CARTER. 1924

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/137640936?searchTerm=%22frederick%20styman%22

Frederick’ death notice 1924
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/140117562?searchTerm=%22frederick%20styman%22

Probate to Frederick’s wife Evelyn Amelia
https://trove.nla.gov
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: judb on Friday 07 February 25 02:00 GMT (UK)
TROVE has a marriage announcement for John and Rita
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/140992030

CARTER-STYMAN.-At the Hamilton Methodist Church, December 17, by Rev J. S. Thomas, Rita, youngest daughter of Mr and Mrs Styman, of Hamiilton, to John L., youngest son of Mr. and Mrs
J. Carter, of the Junction


And for the baby
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139942311
BIRTH.
CARTER.—To Mr. and Mrs.J. . L. Carter at Karoola-road, Lambton, June 11 a daughter (Isabel Mae).
DEATH.
CARTER.—June 1::, at Karoola-road, Lambton, the infant daughter of Mr. and Mrs. J. L. Carter.


Judith


Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Friday 07 February 25 02:02 GMT (UK)
I am wondering....

Where does the illegitimacy come in?

Sue
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: judb on Friday 07 February 25 02:30 GMT (UK)
Frederick and Eveline/Evelyn Amelia were married in 1879

1879 #4027, Newcastle
Frederick Styman, Eveline A Westaway
Marriage Place   Newcastle, New South Wales

9 children are listed on NSW BMD,
some registered in Hay, Morpeth and Sydney.

Note - need to be careful on TROVE as there seems to be Frederick with mentions in Newcastle ,and there are mentions of "F Styman" in Hay at the same time - seems to me like two separate men although this Frederick has obvious connections with Hay.

Judith


Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Friday 07 February 25 02:36 GMT (UK)
I am wondering....

Where does the illegitimacy come in?

Sue

Hi Sue if you would like to read the whole story feel free look at my other tread in the DNA section, however long story short, Rita's older brother is the man we think might be the "dad" when the best DNA match came back with Rita as her mother it was a too good to be true moment.
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Friday 07 February 25 02:41 GMT (UK)
Frederick and Eveline/Evelyn Amelia were married in 1879

1879 #4027, Newcastle
Frederick Styman, Eveline A Westaway
Marriage Place   Newcastle, New South Wales

9 children are listed on NSW BMD,
some registered in Hay, Morpeth and Sydney.

Note - need to be careful on TROVE as there seems to be Frederick with mentions in Newcastle ,and there are mentions of "F Styman" in Hay at the same time - seems to me like two separate men although this Frederick has obvious connections with Hay.

Judith

Yes there is Frederick repeated multiple times in multiple generations in this family and they all had at least 6 kids, its like every son all wanted to honor the original Frederick of the 1800's in England
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Friday 07 February 25 06:42 GMT (UK)
This is a card index regarding Christopher STYMAN whom you have mentioned in your other thread.
It is for the Liverpool State Hospital.

It gives possibly useful information about him which you may already have, of course.

1941
There is another image on the same link detailing his illnesses.

Links the image
https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?docid=ADLIB_RNSW118798483&context=L&vid=61SRA&lang=en_US&search_scope=Everything&adaptor=Local%20Search%20Engine&tab=default_tab&query=any,contains,%22%20styman%20christopher%22&offset=0

More information here about the index here .

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&docid=ADLIB_RNSW116898415

Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Friday 07 February 25 07:12 GMT (UK)
This is a card index regarding Christopher STYMAN whom you have mentioned in your other thread.
It is for the Liverpool State Hospital.

It gives possibly useful information about him which you may already have, of course.

1941
There is another image on the same link detailing his illnesses.


Wow thank you so much!

I never knew such information existed to the public much less was available search

In the children section this confirms some of his children that i have already found, there are 2 that are not on there though, maybe due to not enough spaces?
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Friday 07 February 25 07:26 GMT (UK)
Sparrett you are a genius look what i just found on that website!!!

you have just blown this whole thing wide open THANK YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!!

https://search.records.nsw.gov.au/primo-explore/fulldisplay?context=L&vid=61SRA&docid=INDEX2341781
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Friday 07 February 25 08:17 GMT (UK)
 ;D ;D
No
If I was really clever, I would have found the record you found. 

Henry's WW1 service record is digitised here.

Enter his name
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx

Sue
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Friday 07 February 25 11:14 GMT (UK)
;D ;D
No
If I was really clever, I would have found the record you found. 

Henry's WW1 service record is digitised here.

Enter his name
https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx

Sue

Seriously i appreciate your help so much my family has been searching for this guy for a decade i can't tell you how happy my mum and my aunt were when i called them both this evening.
Obviously I'm still going to DNA my aunt to double check and we have one of my cousins test results due any moment from an aunt that has passed already to check if he hits with any of the Styman relatives also but fingers are crossed we have finally smashed or at least put a decent hole in this brick wall!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 08 February 25 04:26 GMT (UK)
I'm sure by now you have done a good deal of research into Henry STYMAN.
He married Violet Beatrice on 15th Feb 1921 (#4332) and their first son arrived about 3rd Sept 1921.
Ronald Frederick.

I am checking to make sure you have seen this man's WW2 service record which has a photo of him.
As half brother to your lady, you can look for familial likenesses.

Sue
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Saturday 08 February 25 04:34 GMT (UK)
I'm sure by now you have done a good deal of research into Henry STYMAN.
He married Violet Beatrice on 15th Feb 1921 (#4332) and their first son arrived about 3rd Sept 1921.
Ronald Frederick.

I am checking to make sure you have seen this man's WW2 service record which has a photo of him.
As half brother to your lady, you can look for familial likenesses.

Sue

Yes iv been madly researching iv got a long list of transcripts to order and i have started to put the skeleton of a tree together ready to merge in to my main tree  ;D

I did notice on ancestry that Ronald has service records unfortunately i haven't got access to them there and i cant find them online on naa either
What site did you find them on?
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: CassT on Saturday 08 February 25 04:41 GMT (UK)
hope you dont mind me butting in this wonderful chat.  On the Australian Archives site

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=5529638&isAv=N

STYMAN RONALD FREDERICK : Service Number - 421520 : Date of birth - 03 Sep 1921 : Place of birth - NARRANDERA NSW : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY : Next of Kin - STYMAN HENRY

regards   Cass
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Saturday 08 February 25 04:49 GMT (UK)
This is the illegitimate child Audrey
She looks just like my mum
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Saturday 08 February 25 04:52 GMT (UK)
hope you dont mind me butting in this wonderful chat.  On the Australian Archives site

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/DetailsReports/ItemDetail.aspx?Barcode=5529638&isAv=N

STYMAN RONALD FREDERICK : Service Number - 421520 : Date of birth - 03 Sep 1921 : Place of birth - NARRANDERA NSW : Place of enlistment - SYDNEY : Next of Kin - STYMAN HENRY

regards   Cass

Feel free to butt in as much as you wish all contributions are welcome I'm so happy to accept help from everyone even if we end up with the same info twice, I'm just so grateful
thank you so much for the link!
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 08 February 25 05:11 GMT (UK)
Well, I can see something of a likeness. ;D

As Cass has said , use the link I gave you to find Henry's record

https://recordsearch.naa.gov.au/SearchNRetrieve/Interface/SearchScreens/BasicSearch.aspx
Search as a guest A little blue option down the screen a bit

Everyone has access. Just type the name.

Sue

Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 08 February 25 06:21 GMT (UK)
Annoyingly the National Archives is having a big glitch right now.
No doubt the site will restore in good time.

I can email the little photo to you if you are very keen. ;D

Sue
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Saturday 08 February 25 07:01 GMT (UK)
Annoyingly the National Archives is having a big glitch right now.
No doubt the site will restore in good time.

I can email the little photo to you if you are very keen. ;D

Sue

Ahh That would explain why I'm having so much trouble, it just keeps timing out on me or i get the circle of doom LoL
I suppose i had best go cook dinner and try again later in stead of keeping on getting frustrated  ;)
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Sunday 09 February 25 04:26 GMT (UK)
A new day and NAA is being my friend again  ;)

For anyone following along the thread here is the photo of the half brother to the illegitimate child i posted earlier.

What do you all think related yay or nay?
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 09 February 25 04:34 GMT (UK)
I wonder whether your lady's hair at the sides hid a possible trait?
Sue
Title: Re: Births & Marriages Search NSW Please
Post by: RainySK on Sunday 09 February 25 05:09 GMT (UK)
You could be correct this is her and her husband.