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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland Resources => Topic started by: fossey on Friday 31 January 25 16:08 GMT (UK)
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I have a query, if anyone can help. I dont know where to look.
John Hamilton born 1828 in Annan Scotland. I have the 41 and 51 census where John was living with John his dad and his new wife Jane in Penrith Cumberland.
His father born 1782 in Perth Scotland married a Jane Thompson in Penrith (Cumberland) in 1838. She was also from Annan in 1809 but I dont think she is Johns mother but cant totally rule it out. They went onto have other children. I would just like to see if I can find any other info out on his birth in 1828.
Thanks Angela
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Scotland's People is the place to look for church records
https://www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk/search-records
There are no records for the HAMILTON name in Annan in that time period for both Church of Scotland and Catholic.
What are the details from their marriage cert? Was Jane definitely a spinster? It might be more likely that he is Jane's son, not John's, as she was also born in Annan.
Debra :)
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This is the 1861 census on freecen. So wife and John junior not necessarily born Annan. As you say John & Jane may have been married before?
1861 Fowler Dyke Cottage, Penrith (HAMILTON Family)
I guess this is John seniors death.
HAMILTON, JOHN age 77
GRO Reference: 1858 M Quarter in PENRITH Volume 10B Page 243
Jane Head W 50 Fund Holder Dumfriesshire (or Scotland)Annan
John Son W 30 Ag Lab Dumfriesshire (or Scotland) Annan
Others all Penrith
Margaret Dau15
Mary Dau 13
Elizabeth Dau 11
Jane Borrowdale Dau 20 Formerly Hse Servnt
William Sonlaw 25 Ag Lab
John Joseph Grnson 2m
Colin
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Thanks Colin, yes that's the family I have found.
Debra, I never even thought that he could be Janes son, she would only have been 18/19 so could be illegitimate. I dont have the marriage certificate, but might have to purchase it now, its such a shame you cant go back for birth certificates that early, thanks Angela
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Jane Head W 50 Fund Holder Dumfriesshire (or Scotland)Annan
John Son W 30 Ag Lab Dumfriesshire (or Scotland) Annan
Where do you see Dumfriesshire? The 1861 census records both as being born in Annan, Scotland.
Debra :)
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Marriages Jun 1838
John HAMILTON to Jane THOMPSON
However Janes surname on the GRO index is spelt in the usual Scottish way Thomson.
Possible baptism below on SP, the only one in Dumfries-shire 1808-1813
THOMSON JANE MARGARET father WILLIAM THOMSON NO NAME2
Dumfries 29/04/1810
Colin
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Jane Head W 50 Fund Holder Dumfriesshire (or Scotland)Annan
John Son W 30 Ag Lab Dumfriesshire (or Scotland) Annan
Where do you see Dumfriesshire? The 1861 census records both as being born in Annan, Scotland.
Debra :)
Hi Debra,
That is the transcription on freecen.
Colin
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I have the 61 census on ancestry and it just says Scotland Annan, no mention of Dumfrieshire, 71 says Annan for Jane, 81 and 91 just say Scotland, that if I have the right 91 as she is living in Northumberland as an aunt. 71 for John just says Scotland.
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Deaths Mar 1895
Hamilton Jane 84 Castle W.
Castle Ward and it is in the county of Northumberland
Colin
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Yes thanks thats the death I found too
Angela
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....and 91 just say Scotland, that if I have the right 91 as she is living in Northumberland as an aunt.
I think she is a different Jane HAMILTON who you can trace backwards living in Northumberland.
Debra :)
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Jane's daughter Elizabeth did not marry. They are living together in Penrith in 1881 together with Jane's grandaughter Amelia COWPER (Ann/Nannie/Nanny HAMILTON's daughter). In 1891 Elizabeth is a boarder in Bradford, Yorkshire and Amelia is still with her right up to the 1921 census back in Penrith.
I would say that Jane died between 1881 and 1891.
Debra :)
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In 1881 the HAMILTONs were living in Poplar Place, death notice from the Cumberland and Westmorland Herald, 17 May 1890..... 'At Poplar Place, Penrith, on the 18th instant, Jane Hamilton aged 79 years.'
Debra :)
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Oh brill thanks very much, I always thought the 91 was wrong but never found a death for her. I do have Elizabeth up to 11 but not searched the 21 yet, will do now. I will also try find the 91 census for her too.
Appreciate your help
Angela
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I cant find the 91 census in Bradford, could you point me in the right direction please.
Thanks
Angela