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I am looking for information on two Clayton sisters who mysteriously disappear after a certain date. One was born Marian Martha Clayton who had a son, Francis Charles Clayton in 1878 in Chelsea, London and who married Claude Aislabe Vign Gibson in 1881 under the name of Edith Marion Clayton. Parents were Thomas Clayton, tailor and Ellen Baglin. After her marriage to Claude (which I suspect was imposed upon him to legitimise his son Francis), she disappears. I cannot find death, remarriage, emigration records for her after 1881. Her youngest sister, Elizabeth Ann Clayton also disappears. She married George Parker in 1889/90 in Middlesex, has two children who die as infants, emigrates to the US (New York), pregnant with her third child and without her husband at the age of about 18-19 (he follows later). She is found on the 1900 US Census living with the Harell family under the name Annie Clayton, her husband divorces her soon after she has given birth to her fifth child, Constance born c 1897-8 (who dies at around 2-3 years of age) then remarries and starts a new family. I can find no trace of Elizabeth Ann "Annie" Clayton Parker after the 1900 census. Did she remarry, emigrate elsewhere, return to England? Any help in solving the mystery of the two sisters would be much appreciated.
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Elizabeth Ann remarried in 1904 to John Kettleson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CV-LC88
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I don't know if you have read this, but if not, it may offer some hints. Probables and Possibles ;D
Marian Martha AKA Edith Marion's husband, Claude, remarried in 1903 in Ceylon in 1903.
https://mprobb.wordpress.com/2014/10/12/thomas-wheatley-gibson-1823-1884/
Sue
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The illegitimate child mentioned as Francis Charles Clayton was registered as Charles Frank Clayton
registered Chelsea 1878 June quarter Vol. 01A page 315
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Thank you, everyone, so much for sending me this information in your separate replies.
I did know that Francis Charles Gibson was born Charles F Clayton and initially raised by his grandparents, Thomas and Ellen Clayton. I was also aware that his father, Claude Gibson, remarried in Ceylon and died there in the 1940s, I think it was. I do not have any further information on Martha Marian/Edith Marion Clayton, his first wife. They do not seem to have had a married life and seem to have married solely to give their son a name. Her whereabouts after their marriage remain a mystery. He went to Australia soon after his marriage to visit his brother, in Melbourne.
Thank you also for the information on Elizabeth Ann Clayton's remarriage to John Kettelson. I can now complete her family tree.
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Claude Gibson appears to have been in South Africa by 1887 , when he signed up for military service. He may have been resident there earlier - did Marion/Edith go with him, or were they split up by then?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSX6-D3C2-S?view=fullText&keywords=Claude%20Aislabie&groupId=M99M-P6B
It looks like he served with the Boers in the war, was captured, and sent to Ceylon, where his second marriage occurred.
https://www.angloboerwar.com/name-search - search for Claude Gibson here
https://www.angloboerwar.com/other-information/89-prisoner-of-war-camps/1839-camp-for-boers-ceylon-sri-lanka
Side question - who is the "William Marchant" who is listed as a grandson to Ellen Clayton in 1891? Has he been attached to any of the known Clayton sisters?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:358J-3T2
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Thank you, jorose, I didn't have that information about Claude Gibson. I know that his father and brother were in South Africa and both died there in the early to mid 1890s but I didn't know that Claude went there as well. I don't know whether Marian Martha/Edith Marion went with him but she is not on the 1891 English census but her son, Francis Charles Gibson is, living with his grandparents, Thomas and Ellen Clayton. She may have died? I would think if she went to South Africa with Claude she would take their son with her? I will have a look at the links that you have sent me about Claude.
As for William Marchant, he is another illegitimate son of the Clayton family. He was the son of Thomas and Ellen's daughter, Isobel Edith Clayton (father someone called Marchant?). She married a few years after his birth, a William Tompkins, and William adopted Isobel's son and changed his name to William Tompkins.
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Isabella Edith Clayton - registered 1871 Westminster, June quarter vol 01A page 407.
No mother's name listed - Illegitimate?
A copy of the birth certificate would clarify if she is their daughter.
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Hello amondg,
Thank you for finding this record. She is indeed Thomas and Ellen Clayton's daughter. She was baptised in 1873 with her two older brothers, and younger sister, Elizabeth Ann. I don't know why her mother's name was not included on her birth record.
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He went to Australia soon after his marriage to visit his brother, in Melbourne.
Hi, I realise that the above detail is also contained in the family history link which I posted above about the family.
However, as always, one must be cautious and thorough before affirming.
Cuzco left England May 11th. So just a few days after the May 6th marriage
The actual ships passenger list record names him as simply Claude Gilbert.
His entry on the list is struck through. This impairs readability slightly
This link is helpful in understanding why a name may be struck through on a passenger list.
https://genealogical-musings.blogspot.com/2015/04/names-crossed-off-passenger-list.html
Aged possibly 23.
Notably, he is recorded as single and his ticket number is 122. Ticket numbers 121 and 123 belong to men
Contracted to land in Capetown with 4 or 5 other men none of whom are crossed through.
Anyhow the whether it is the right man or not, there is no wife on board.
Sue
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Thank you, Sue, for this information. I always wondered about crossed through entries and having read the information that you sent me via the link, I now know possible reasons. I will do some more checking on Claude Gibson's whereabouts after his marriage and see if I can confirm that he went to Melbourne or not. Perhaps Australian entry records might have some clues? I appreciate your help, thank you so much.
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Having found Elizabeth Ann Clayton again (one of the Clayton sisters mysteries), I now have to look for Marian Martha/Edith Marion Clayton after her marriage to Claude Gibson in 1881. I have been trying to find her for many years, without success.
On another note, I am also looking for actual marriage certificate for their son, Francis Charles Gibson who lived in Accrington and married in Lancashire in 1899, to a Mary Elizabeth (also Elizabeth Mary) Fielding or Hindle (I suspect mother not married but John Hindle, Engineer is on the marriage certificate as her father). I have seen this marriage certificate many years ago on the internet but I can't find it now, anywhere. On it Francis (Frank) states that his father is Claudius Gibson, formerly in the military in South Africa, deceased. Claude was not deceased but fighting in the Boer War at the time of his son's marriage. Claude was taken prisoner in 1900 and sent to a camp in Ceylon.
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Hello again, Sue. I have found the Victorian Inward Passenger List and Claude Gibson is on it, born 1858 (which he was, if the same Claude Gibson) but struck through. This may mean that he did not disembark in Capetown (where his family had lived previously) but went on to Australia where he had a brother in Melbourne.
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Perhaps Australian entry records might have some clues? I appreciate your help, thank you so much.
What I have given is Australian Arrival record.
Cuzco leaves Adelaide June 27th 1881
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/5981917
Arrives Melb June 30th 1881
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/28381587
Married a couple of months a declares single!
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The record does not say he was borni in 1858.
The transcription of the record does.
The record shows the strike through line going through his age in years. Maybe 23, maybe not.
The age is placed in the column headed single. (i.e. marital status).
Sue
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FreeBMD
Frank Gibson and Elizabeth Hindle are on the same page 1899 registered Haslingden
June quarter vol 8e page 298
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Daughter Marion Gibson reg. 1900 Haslingden March quarter 1900 Vol 08E page 135
mother's maiden name Hindle.
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amondg
I had noted that the son named a daughter Marion and it hinted at 2 things for me.
One Marion was the name she used and two, relationships between mother and son were friendly.
I wonder if Marion simply waited the 7 years of "no contact with spouse" "no knowledge of whereabouts of spouse " and then used that accepted period to be able to remarry.
There are indeed quite a few Marion CLAYTON marriages ::)
Sue
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Definitely a possibility.
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Francis/Frank Gibson first wife must have died between 1920 census and 1926 when he married Mary Elizabeth Prefladish/ Prelatish.
1930 wife is Mary E born New Jersey, parents from Germany. She was also first married at age 17 so
Prefladish/Preflatish is her name from her first marriage and not her maiden name.
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I don't know what is on a US marriage certificate.
would there be information about his mother?
Sue
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Depends on the State.
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On one family tree, there is a story that references Mary Elizabeth Fielding Hindle Gibson, Frank Gibson's first wife. Her granddaughter, Renee Lillian, went to live with her and Renee's father, Thomas Fielding Gibson after he divorced his first wife. Renee lived with her grandmother from 1933-1935. On Thomas Fielding Gibson's second marriage record it states that his father is Francis C Gibson and his mother is Mary Elizabeth Fielding. It seems as if she reverted to her birth surname of Fielding after Francis left her. Mary Elizabeth's baptism shows the surname Hindle but no father and no father present in her life after her birth. Her marriage states that her father is John Hindle but there is no record of his ever being in her life after her birth.
A US Social Security claim by Robert Fielding Gibson dated 1968 includes name of father, Francis C Gibson and mother Mary Elizabeth Fielding. Her death may be recorded under the name of Fielding, some time after 1935?
I was wondering if something tragic had befallen Marion Clayton Gibson, wife of Claude Gibson, after their marriage. She is not on the 1891 census, she doesn't appear to have lived with him. She was a domestic servant and working class, and he was gentry, so I suspect that he married her (3 years after the birth of their son) to give his son a name but they had a marriage in name only. Sometimes, family name their children after a brother or sister who they were fond of but who came to a sad end. Three of Marion's family named their daughters Marion. Her brother, Henry named his daughter, Linda Marion; her sister, Elizabeth Ann, named one of her daughters by George Parker, Ada Marion Parker; her sister, Matilda, named one of her daughters Marion Rosina.
Thank you, everyone, for all of your ideas and tips. :)
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Elizabeth Ann remarried in 1904 to John Kettleson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CV-LC88
In case it helps, you can see the actual image of the marriage certificate here - https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8182139
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:)
Thank you so much for the link to Elizabeth Ann Clayton's marriage certificate. After searching for so long, I am very happy to see that she had married again.
Finding information on some of the Clayton women has been challenging whereas the men have been easy to trace.
Another Clayton that cannot be found is Mary T Clayton, twin of Madie Jane Clayton, twins born to Henry Eugene Clayton and Mary Ann Hughes in Brentford in 1911. Madie Jane can be found in census records after her birth living with her mother (father Henry left them and sailed off to South Africa where he remained until his death) but Mary T is nowhere to be found. I have searched death records, marriage and census records but nothing has been found. She also seems to disappear.
So I now have to try to find Mary T Clayton (1911 - ?)and Marion Martha Clayton Gibson (1862 - ?).
Then I will have found all of the 'missing' Clayton girls.
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Hi,
Have you any hints or speculations as to what the T may stand for in Mary's name?
Female Relatives, Parents etc on either side who had given names starting with T.?
Sue
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Sorry I should have looked at the GRO before I asked.
CLAYTON, MARY TOYSE mms HUGHES
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in BRENTFORD
Volume 03A Page 200
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Thank you for this information. Toyse is not a name in our family, I wonder if it is a mistranscribe? I think that I saw somewhere quite a while ago that the T stood for 'Teresa'. Is the record that you sent to me a death? She and her twin, Madie Jane are on the BDM birth record (same record, same date), born August 1911, but after this date, only Madie Jane is on future records.
I suppose the actual birth certificate would give Mary T's full first names? I can't find a baptism for the twins either even though all of the Clayton children of every generation have always been baptised. Another mystery.
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Elizabeth Ann remarried in 1904 to John Kettleson
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2CV-LC88
In case it helps, you can see the actual image of the marriage certificate here - https://a860-historicalvitalrecords.nyc.gov/view/8182139
Looking at her husband's signature, the surname looks more like Ketterson.
Based on that, it looks like they lived in Bayonne, New Jersey.
1905 New Jersey state census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KM42-THX
1910 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:MKYH-CPK
1920 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M4RD-D44
John's obituary from 1928 - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-bayonne-times-obituary-for-john-kett/164566697/
1930 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:X46D-VKD
1940 census - https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:K4R8-BZN
Elizabeth's obituary from 1941 - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-bayonne-times-obituary-for-elizabeth/164566318/
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Thank you so much for these links. One for the 1905 New Jersey census is a bit strange. In Elizabeth Ketterson's record it states that she was born in 1876 when she was born in 1873, it also states that she was born in Ireland and that her parents were born in Ireland (father) and Scotland (mother). Her husbands record states England, England, England. I suspect that the enumerator had it the wrong way around as Elizabeth's record should have shown England for all three births (hers, father's mother's) and Ireland/Ireland/Scotland for her husband John's (his, his father, his mother). Little wonder we amateur researchers get confused!
I have now been able to add so much more to Elizabeth Ann Clayton's story - many thanks! :)
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Is the record that you sent to me a death? She and her twin, Madie Jane are on the BDM birth record (same record, same date), born August 1911, but after this date, only Madie Jane is on future records.
What I have listed is the GRO birth registration for Mary.
Mother Maiden Surname is HUGHES
Here is Madie Jane CLAYTON mms HUGHES
GRO Reference: 1911 D Quarter in BRENTFORD Volume 03A Page 200.
A later census shows Madie with mother Mary Ann and a brother.
From other registers etc, the exact birthdate for Madie Jane CLAYTON 27 Aug 1911.
Sue
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Many thanks, Sue. I can now add Mary's and Madie's exact birth date to their records. It is strange that Mary T doesn't appear in any records after her birth, but Madie is easy to trace via census and, later a marriage to Colin C Turner. I have Madie Jane Clayton Turner's death in Weston-Super-Mare.
With the search for Marion Martha/Edith Marion Clayton Gibson, now that I have her younger sister, Elizabeth Ann Clayton Ketterson's obituary, I know that Marion died before her as only two of Elizabeth Ann's siblings are mentioned as family (Henry living in Durban, and Isabella living in London).
Thank you again everyone who has so kindly helped with my Clayton research.