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Title: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: worth on Sunday 26 January 25 19:46 GMT (UK)
Hi all,
I am looking for the above named person but not having any look at all. Alexander was married in 1940 to Elsie Hams in Swindon Wiltshire but before this date i cannot find any record for him anywhere. I have his death in Lincoln Lincolnshire in 1980 and his date of birth is given as 28 August 1911 but that is all i know. I know i will most likely have to get his marriage certificate to find his dads name but i thought i would give you guys a shot first to see what you can come up with. Any help appreciated in advance x
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 January 25 19:50 GMT (UK)
Have you tried using that birthdate on the 1939 register?

Have you checked Scotlands People - several entries

There is an Alec Martin Sept qtr 1911 on freebmd
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: worth on Sunday 26 January 25 19:57 GMT (UK)
Hi Carole and thanks for your help.
Nothing shows up on the 1939 register under that date sadly.
I will check the Alec Martin out that you have found thankyou xx
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 January 25 20:04 GMT (UK)
Quite a few b Scotland 1911
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: worth on Sunday 26 January 25 20:05 GMT (UK)
Hi Carole
I have just purchased the digital copy of the birth of the above Alec Martin that you found for me and sadly it isnt the correct one, this Alec Martin was born 10 December 1908 but not registered until 8 July 1911 x
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 January 25 20:11 GMT (UK)
Unfortunately he was born after the 1911 census which won't help if he was b Scotland.  Let's hope the marriage cert shows his father had a very unusual christian name🤞🤞
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 January 25 20:14 GMT (UK)
Who were the parents on the 1908/1911 cert mmn was Hemmings
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: worth on Sunday 26 January 25 20:24 GMT (UK)
Hi
The parents were Henry Martin and Ada Luetchford (formally Hemmings) address for both of them was 17 Ditton Mill Terrace, Long Ditton. Henry was a carpenter.

Ill try and upload it x
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 26 January 25 20:43 GMT (UK)
Not our Alexander

Henry   Martin   Head   Single   Male   34   1877   Building carpenter   Bromley by Bow
Ada   Luetchfords   Sister   Married   Female   35   1876   Housekeeper domestic   Chadlington Oxfordshire
William Henry   Luetchfords   Son   -   Male   12   1899   -   Esher Surrey
Alec   Martin   Son   -   Male   2   1909   -   Esher Surrey

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Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 26 January 25 20:54 GMT (UK)
An outside chance if dates work.

There was an Alexander MARTIN  born 28 August 1811 Kircaldy, Fifeshire. He was a Lance/Cpl in the Gordon Highlanders. If already in the Army he wouldn’t show up in the 1939 Register,

This man was taken POW in France 12 June 1940. As the marriage was in the March quarter it is just possible to have married before being sent to France.
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 26 January 25 21:09 GMT (UK)
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Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 January 25 21:09 GMT (UK)
Although the marriage was 1940 - I think a child was born 1938.  Next child not born until 1943
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: worth on Sunday 26 January 25 21:14 GMT (UK)
Softly Softly that is fantastic thank you loads for that, i think you may have found him.
Jebber Jebber i will also look at what you have posted as well, also thank you loads.
All help is very much appreciated xx
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 26 January 25 21:21 GMT (UK)
Elsie Martin
30 Dec 1917
Jul 1975
Jul-Aug-Sep
Louth
Lincolnshire

she appears as Hams/Martin in 1939 with dob 31st 12.1920--- there is no 31st

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Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: Jebber on Sunday 26 January 25 21:23 GMT (UK)
As I said, it’s only an outside chance, it would depend if he had leave  to marry before going overseas. But anything is worth investigating because sometimes the unlikely proves correct.
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 26 January 25 21:33 GMT (UK)
Elsie Martin
30 Dec 1917
Jul 1975
Jul-Aug-Sep
Louth
Lincolnshire

she appears as Hams/Martin in 1939 with dob 31st 12.1920--- there is no 31st

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30 days hath November, April, June & September

December has 31 days
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: softly softly on Sunday 26 January 25 21:34 GMT (UK)
I even sang it to myself before posting--age

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Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Sunday 26 January 25 21:41 GMT (UK)
"There is no 31st"  Bang goes New Years Eve ;D ;D
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: mckha489 on Sunday 26 January 25 22:15 GMT (UK)
If the next child was born in 1943, how did this man manage it?
(Assuming he wasn’t released after capture?)

https://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/details/r/C17150689
Title: Re: Help finding Alexander Martin before 1940
Post by: CaroleW on Monday 27 January 25 00:13 GMT (UK)
1940 marriage was in Wiltshire - as are all Martin/Hams births  - 1938/43/46/47/48/51

No previous Martin/Hams marriages before 1938 - next one is 1953

If he was still a PoW after 1943 - sadly he wouldn't be the first man to come home & find another mans child in the household.