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Title: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ewadsemajnai on Sunday 26 January 25 08:56 GMT (UK)
Hi

I am trying to find the birth of Ann Shetton, census's from after her marriage to James Jones on 18 May 1837 in Landenny in Monmouthshire show her as being born in Trellleck between 1818 and 1822.

So pretty young when marrying James. The problem I have there is no birth as I can see for Trelleck for an Ann Shetton. Then I noticed she was a widow.

I made a list of all the Ann's born in Trelleck between 1810 and 1822 so that I could try and match one of them marrying a man called Shetton but could not find any in the area, and with her age as suggested it could not have been that much further bac kin time to her second marriage to James.

Anyone know where I can look, I have Ancestry but not helped. Shetton does not seem to be a common surname and I have searched with variants on as well.

kind regards
Ian
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ColC on Sunday 26 January 25 09:44 GMT (UK)
Small point I read the burial year as 1837.

Is it not possible that Shetton was her former married name?

Colin
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ewadsemajnai on Sunday 26 January 25 10:18 GMT (UK)
Indeed ColC thats what I thought, was why I was searching for her previous maariage to someone called Shetton and hopefully get her maiden name
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ColC on Sunday 26 January 25 10:24 GMT (UK)
Could this be Ann?

1841 Ragland Lower,  Raglan,  Llandenny
James JONES, 40 Farmer, Ann JONES 30 + 3 servants

If this is Ann, this would be born 1807-1811, the 1841 was rounded down to nearest 5.

Colin
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ewadsemajnai on Sunday 26 January 25 10:30 GMT (UK)
Thanks ColC

For me that age sounds much better than the later census's in, as I was finding it difficult (but not impossible) for someone who was born 1818-1822 to be married twice by 1837. Maybe they just knocked 10 years of her age when she got older on the later Census's :) not unheard of
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: Pejic on Sunday 26 January 25 10:57 GMT (UK)
Isn't it possible that she was a minor and John Miles was her father?
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ewadsemajnai on Sunday 26 January 25 11:11 GMT (UK)
Alas John Miles is the vicar I believe as he acted as one of the witnesses on all the marriages on the same page as theirs

Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 26 January 25 12:23 GMT (UK)
Could it be Shelton?

Did they have any children?
MMN will be on GRO if so.

Also possible he married another Ann after 1841 Census.
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: rosie99 on Sunday 26 January 25 12:42 GMT (UK)
Alas John Miles is the vicar I believe as he acted as one of the witnesses on all the marriages on the same page as theirs

Thomas Jones was the Rector (Vicar) according to their marriage.   John Miles was probably a Church warden or similar
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 26 January 25 12:50 GMT (UK)
Is this the 1851?
Living in Trelleck?

Or am I looking at the wrong Jones Family?

James Janes 44 Head
Ann Janes 31 Wife born Trelleck**
James Janes 10 Son
John Janes 8 Son
Emma Janes 6 Daughter
Ann Janes 4 Daughter
Susan Janes 2 Daughter
Thomas Janes 9 mths Son



JONES, SUSAN mmn    STOCKHAM 
GRO Reference: 1848  D Quarter in MONMOUTH  Volume 26  Page 93

JONES, ANN mmn STOCKHAM 
GRO Reference: 1846  J Quarter in MONMOUTH  Volume 26  Page 103
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 26 January 25 12:52 GMT (UK)
Sorry got to log out as late here in OZ.

EDIT 1840 Marriage Reg for Ann Stockham/James Jones on same page
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ewadsemajnai on Sunday 26 January 25 12:55 GMT (UK)
Trish thank you

They had as far as I know 7 children and Jones is a common surname. However their daughter Susan was the only one for Monmouth for the right year.

So I checked GRO as you so kindly suggested


And prior to this I had made a list of all the Ann's born in Trelleck between 1810 and 1822

Well the mothers maiden name was Stockham and blow me over she was on my list

Ann Stockham 1820 Trelleck

Thank you :D

Can now see if I can find her first marriage to Mr Shetton and whether they had any kids as the would be 1/2 rellies

Thank you again for your help
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 26 January 25 12:59 GMT (UK)
Marriage to Ann Stockham was 1840 (FreeBMD)

Sorry have to log out soon.
Why did you think that the 1837 Marriage was the right one?
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: trish1120 on Sunday 26 January 25 13:04 GMT (UK)
Back tomorrow.

Trish :)
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: osprey on Sunday 26 January 25 17:12 GMT (UK)
another birth reg
James Jones jun qtr 1841 Monmouth vol 26 pg 92 mmn Stockham

Only likely baptism to the couple I can see is
22 Aug 1844 Emma daughter of James, labourer, and Ann Jones of Trelleck.
This is a non-conformist baptism in Siloam Bible Christian church so the marriage could be in a register office/registrar attended and unlikely to be online.

As the maiden name from the birth registrations is Stockham, and the marriage reg shows her as Stockham, there won't be an earlier marriage, unless she married a Stockham.

Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: Mabel Bagshawe on Sunday 26 January 25 21:29 GMT (UK)
I'm a bit confused

Are we interested in James Jones & Ann previously Shetton nee ?? who married in 1837

Or James Jones  and Ann Stockham who married in 1840
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: trish1120 on Monday 27 January 25 10:42 GMT (UK)
You are not the only one confused.

I asked why op (Ian) thought that was the right marriage 1837.
Hopefully they will answer.

If Susan was an ancestor then her mother was Ann Stockham who had never been married before.

I also don't think that 1841 Census is James/Ann.

As there is a Marriage;
Ann TIPPINS
James JONES
12 Mar 1840, St James, Llandenny********
James was 44, Bachelor, Farmer****
Ann was 32 a Spinster
(Both Fathers are named)
FreeREG
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: osprey on Monday 27 January 25 19:00 GMT (UK)
Agree with you about the 1841, Trish.

The Jones/Tippins couple in 1851
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGT2-QCP

birth regs
James Jones june qtr 1845 Monmouth vol 26 pg 9 mmn Tippins
Margaret Susanna Jones dec qtr 1850 Monmouth vol 26 pg 99 mmn Tippins

address in 1841 & 1851 is Mardy.
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: trish1120 on Tuesday 28 January 25 12:33 GMT (UK)
Hopefully Ian will reply soon :)
Title: Re: Ann Shetton and James Jones
Post by: ewadsemajnai on Thursday 30 January 25 20:30 GMT (UK)
So sorry for the delay in replying, been very busy

The reason for thinking the marriage was to Ann Shetton was at the time the only one I could find. But thankfully with your help it was obviously the wrong one.

And the correct one is to Ann Stockham in 1840 as mother maiden name tallies with their children

I am very thankful for your help on this it has really helped

Ian