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Title: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: Wayne N on Friday 24 January 25 17:28 GMT (UK)
Who is this highlighted in the attached

George Paul Doctor of Laws Vicar General and so forth in the presence of me ?_____?
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: horselydown86 on Friday 24 January 25 18:01 GMT (UK)
It begins with D (compare to Doctor) and ends with N Pub:, meaning Notary Public.

I suggest that the surname might be Hickore, perhaps meaning Hickory.

Can you see another H to compare nearby?
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: Wayne N on Friday 24 January 25 22:40 GMT (UK)
Thank you for the D(octor) + N(otary) Pub(lic) at the end.

Here's a snippet from the Will, it has only one cap H. and some lowercase versions.

I have the Will saved to transcribe after a visit to an LDS. So I can't compare atm with other possible pages
 
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: horselydown86 on Saturday 25 January 25 03:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks for posting the second image.  As it's a different hand, it doesn't help with this possible H.

I understand that you can't easily obtain another sample of the same hand.

Regarding our surname, I'm confident with the _ickore.

As to the initial, I believe I have seen H formed in this manner but unfortunately can't find an example.

It's not a G (of which there are two examples).  It is somewhat similar to the E in Executrix, but I don't think it's an E.

Sorry I can't give a definite answer.

Also, I wouldn't necessarily conclude that the D stood for Doctor unless there were another reason to do so.
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: Wayne N on Saturday 25 January 25 04:41 GMT (UK)
All good, most of that name has been figured out! :)

I've put it in as Hickore for now - with a note.

I’m sure I’ll eventually stumble upon another probate with the same name but in clearer handwriting.
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: macwil on Saturday 25 January 25 07:19 GMT (UK)
My pennyworth.
I think the name might be D Cuckow.
Compare the last letter to the w in 'Laws' & 'was', the initial after the D has similarities  to the capital G and L.
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: shanreagh on Saturday 25 January 25 08:19 GMT (UK)
My pennyworth.
I think the name might be D Cuckow.
Compare the last letter to the w in 'Laws' & 'was', the initial after the D has similarities  to the capital G and L.

While not being as firm I was about to suggest that the highlighted name had an initial mixed up in it. 

I thought it was P then the surname starting with D. You can see a D in the scramble of scrambles, I mean letters at the beginning of the word.

P Duckow
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: janan on Saturday 25 January 25 09:51 GMT (UK)
I would also say the surname is Duckow - compare the D with that in Doctor - and that there is an initial mixed up with the D but not sure if it is a P as not the same as that in Paul.

Jan
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: macwil on Saturday 25 January 25 10:37 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I have to disagree.
Compare the spacing of the Do in Doctor with that of the Du  in the purported  Duckow and consider that he would have written the C first then the D, but spaced it before the C. Sorry, not on.
I'll stick with D Cuckow!
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: janan on Saturday 25 January 25 13:15 GMT (UK)
Sorry, I have to disagree.
Compare the spacing of the Do in Doctor with that of the Du  in the purported  Duckow and consider that he would have written the C first then the D, but spaced it before the C. Sorry, not on.
I'll stick with D Cuckow!

Yes I see what you mean - there is a gap between D and uckow and the letter mixed up with the D could be a C. So D Cuckow is very feasible.
When was this will?  it may be possible  to check a list of Notaries for the time/ find on census ???
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: horselydown86 on Saturday 25 January 25 16:34 GMT (UK)
I think the name might be D Cuckow.
Compare the last letter to the w in 'Laws' & 'was' ...

Yes macwil, it certainly could be ow rather than ore, and I suspect it probably is.  I missed the formation of his w.

Apologies to Wayne N for the incorrect information.
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: Wayne N on Saturday 25 January 25 20:35 GMT (UK)
Thank you to everyone for the suggestions  :)

I've noted down all the name possibilities and will compare with other probates around this one when at the LDS next.

Very much appreciate everyones efforts.

Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: macwil on Saturday 25 January 25 22:25 GMT (UK)
. . .
When was this will?  it may be possible  to check a list of Notaries for the time/ find on census ???

9 June 1741 (2nd line).

A little early for a census me thinks ;D
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: janan on Sunday 26 January 25 10:36 GMT (UK)
. . .
When was this will?  it may be possible  to check a list of Notaries for the time/ find on census ???

9 June 1741 (2nd line).

A little early for a census me thinks ;D

Not sure how I missed that date!

As you say a little early for a census. However, there are plenty of Cuckows in Kent including, most notably, Daniel Cuckow N P in a 1739 document on the Kent, Tyler Index to Wills
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: macwil on Sunday 26 January 25 10:53 GMT (UK)
That is brilliant!  :D
Maybe the OP can find that will and compare the handwriting styles for definite confirmation.
Title: Re: Name in probate of Thomas Norwood of Sutton Valence
Post by: Wayne N on Sunday 26 January 25 12:36 GMT (UK)
..there are plenty of Cuckows in Kent including, most notably, Daniel Cuckow N P in a 1739 document on the Kent, Tyler Index to Wills
Good find Janan with the 1739 William Wood Will reference and Daniel Cuckow as NP :)

 Thank you macwil for your deductive reasoning in making sense of the NPs handwritten name :)