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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Shropshire => Topic started by: jibhauler14 on Sunday 19 January 25 12:19 GMT (UK)
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I have a Thomas Jones who in 1851 is living in Bilston Staffs, married to Elizabeth in 1871 still living in Bilston with Elizabeth and still working as a labourer in a Colliery, his birth place despite conflicting spelling would appear to be Alberbury Shropshire, his wife is down as being born in Wales.. in 1851 they have lodgers also named Jones a son in law Alexander from Ruabon Denbighshire and 2 others also from Ruabon and named Jones so first question..
If Thomas was born in Alberbury in 1799 I have found 3 baptisms one 26/01/1800 son of Thomas and Diana, 2nd son of Thomas and Margaret on 16/11/1800 and 3rd son of Maurice and Mary on 09/08/1801 I have discounted the last due to the time difference and fathers name, any way to confirm which is correct please I have not found any other baptisms but then he may not have been baptised in Alberbury.
I also have a wedding certificate for a Thomas Jones and an Elizabeth Roberts dated 30/09/1842 Thomas is a batchelor his father being John Jones a farmer Elizabeths father is Robert Roberts also a farmer, the church appears to be in Llandrith yr Rhos in Denbighshire.
Q1 any thoughts and whether the wedding is of my Thomas who in 1871 is living in Bilston.
Q2 any thoughts as to the Baptism given that the fathers on all 3 were not John but Thomas.
There are a lot of Jones's about...
Any help and advice appreciated.
Jib
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Is this the family in 1841 - Bilston
Thomas Jones 40 - not born in county
Elizabeth Jones 45 - not born in county
Thomas Jones 12 bn Staffordshire
Ann Jones 9 bn Staffordshire
HO107
Piece 1001
Book 3
Folio 29
Page 19
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Baptism St Leonards, Bilston :-\
Thomas son of Thomas & Elizabeth - 19th April 1829
There are a few Jones children baptised at Bilston around that time with parents named Thomas and Elizabeth
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No not those Jones in 1841 they are in Bilston on Oxford St, in 1851 they have moved to Pinfold St, ref HO 107/2021 and then back to Oxford St in 1871, there are Jones everywhere, in 1851 they have a son in law Alexander Jones who is an engineer from Ruabon..
Jib
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To make things a bit clearer for those trying to help, this is the family in 1851 Pinfold Street
Thomas Jones 52 bn Abberbury Shropshire, England
Elizabeth Jones 54 bn Wales
Alexander Jones Son-in-law27 bn Denbighshire, Wales
Ann Jones Daughter Married 19 - bn Bilston
Mary J. Jones Grand daughter 2 bn Bilston
Elizabeth Jones Grand daughter 10 months bn Bilston
Mary Jones Lodger - Married - 52 - bn Denbighshire, Wales
Nimrod Jones - Lodger 15 - bn Denbighshire, Wales
Archibald Jones - Lodger 10 bn Denbighshire, Wales
HO107
Piece 2021
Folio 378
Page 19
FindMyPast have this census entry indexed twice ::). One was giving place of birth for Thomas as Worcestershire and the other Shropshire. The image does not give a County
This is the family I just mentioned - They are living in Oxford Street, Bilston in 1841
Thomas Jones 40 - not born in county
Elizabeth Jones 45 - not born in county
Thomas Jones 12 bn Staffordshire
Ann Jones 9 bn Staffordshire
HO107
Piece 1001
Book 3
Folio 29
Page 19
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In 1841 Mary Jones and Nimrod Jones who are with the family in 1851 are in Swansea
HO107
Piece 1426
Book 8
Folio 48
Page 27
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Didn't know about Nimrod but then not sure where he fits in, or what his relationship is to Thomas, he certainly moves around from Denbigh to Swansea to Bilston he seems to have a younger brother who was born in Denbigh aged 10, will look again at the parish records for Abberbury it looks as though the family may have been in the Ruabon area as the son in law comes from this area before moving down to Bilston, maybe Mary is his mother who moved down to Bilston with the rest of the family, the grandaughter..
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Might be a total coincidence but Alexander and Ann have a daughter named Diana - might point to her grandmother?
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I think that is a good point, I discounted the father being Maurice as there do not seem to be any Maurice’s in the family, and the baptism date fits closer to his age for that with his parents being Thomas and Diana I will check the records I have for Abberbury to see if I can find a marriage for them I am sure there is a link with Ruabon as the son Alexander is back there with his family in 1871 and one of his children was born there, thanks for lighting the spark..
Jib
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Alexander is their son in law, not son - married to Thomas and Elizabeth's daughter Ann.
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yes sorry about that a Freudian slip, going to dig through my St Asaph records today to see if I can find and further information, Alexander and Ann seem to have been married in Dec 1848 registered in W'ton but possibly at St Leonards in Bilston, I have them in Penegoes in 1871 thanks for your help will keep digging..
Jib
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This looks like the Alexander/Ann marriage
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/59ee2879f493fd8062e313fe/ann-jones-alexander-jones-marriage-staffordshire-coseley-1849-06-10?locale=en
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That ticks all the boxes, thank you, will go back into the Alberbury records to see if I can find a conclusion to the parents of Thomas Jones in 1799 and if he did indeed marry a Elizabeth Roberts ?
Jib
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You previously mentioned that I had the wrong Jones family in 1841. Could you please post details of the correct one
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I need a few more details to confirm if as you imply you are correct once established and should you be proved correct then a most abject apology will follow, thank you so much for your help it is so appreciated, I will continue to delve...
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I need a few more details to confirm if as you imply you are correct once established and should you be proved correct then a most abject apology will follow, thank you so much for your help it is so appreciated, I will continue to delve...
Sorry, I hope that I was not implying that I am correct but you said it was the wrong 1841 entry so I was just after the correct one so that I can keep looking for you. :). I certainly don't want an apology, I am just trying to help ;D
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its not a problem I appreciate the help...
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In 1841 Mary Jones and Nimrod Jones who are with the family in 1851 are in Swansea
HO107
Piece 1426
Book 8
Folio 48
Page 27
I think that you can ignore that 1841 family as they are still in Swansea in 1851 and it looks as though that Nimrod dies in Swansea.
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According to an online tree Alexander is an older brother of Nimrod and Archibald, their mother is Mary. They quote a baptism for Alexander in Ruabon 28th March 1824 with parents Mary & John.
They don't have the family in 1841
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I also have a wedding certificate for a Thomas Jones and an Elizabeth Roberts dated 30/09/1842 Thomas is a batchelor his father being John Jones a farmer Elizabeths father is Robert Roberts also a farmer, the church appears to be in Llandrith yr Rhos in Denbighshire.
Q1 any thoughts and whether the wedding is of my Thomas who in 1871 is living in Bilston.
Q2 any thoughts as to the Baptism given that the fathers on all 3 were not John but Thomas.
I do not believe that you have the correct wedding for Thomas bn Alberbury and Elizabeth who both appear to have been born late 1700's. In 1851 their daughter is 19. IF the 1841 for Oxford Street is the correct family then they also have a son Thomas born c1828 .
Possible baptisms as we know how common the name of Jones can be
St Leonards, Bilston -
19th April 1829 - Thomas son of Thomas and Elizabeth. Fathers occ Labourer
Anne bapt 22nd April 1832 parents Thomas and Elizabeth
(There are other baptisms in Bilston around the same time with parents Thomas and Elizabeth but they state fathers occupation as 'Pudler') ::)
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You are definitely correct with the wedding being incorrect the wedding details confirm that brides father was a John Jones records from Alberbury suggest that our Thomas's father was another Thomas, I have checked the census's I have for the family in Bilston with Elizabeth being from Minera which is to the West of Wrexham and to the North of Ruabon, Thomas was born and baptised in Alberbury and the family have links with Ruabon, so all I need to find is where Thomas and Elizabeth were married the eldest child seems to have been baptised in April 1829 in Bilston at St Leonards, so it seems possible that either St Mary's or St Leonards in Bilston could be the scene of the crime, I have so far failed to find the 1861 census for either Thomas and Elizabeth or the daughter Ann and her husband Alexander, I have Alexander and Ann at Penegros near Machynlleth in 1871, there is also a wedding in Alberbury with a Thomas Jones and a Elizabeth Williams 30/12/1828 which may be a bit close to the eldest childs baptism in Bilston 19/04/1829 so I will pursue with diligence amongst other things.. thank you for your help
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I have so far failed to find the 1861 census for either Thomas and Elizabeth or the daughter Ann and her husband Alexander,
RG09. /. Piece 2000 / Folio 132 / Page 38
Ann Jones 29
Mary Jones 12
Alexander Jones 5
Dinah Jones 3
Thomas Jones 11 months
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Excellent than you very much...