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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: wolko58 on Tuesday 14 January 25 19:53 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I'm researching my 5 x Great Grandfather Richard Wadson/Watson, born about 1750 in Staffordshire and died 1806 in Aldridge. On his last will and testament his surname is written as Wadson but it could be misspelt. He married Elizabeth ? from what I've got so far they had 6 children, all mentioned in his will. If there is anyone that as got any further information I would be really grateful or any ideas of where I can look for the full name of Elizabeth etc.
Many thanks.
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On familysearch.org are these baptisms at Aldridge of Richard WADSON and Eliz.
Sarah 3 March 1779
Ann 10 Nov 1780
At Walsall (4 miles)
John WADSON 9 Jan 1789
I cant see a likely marriage for Richard and Elizabeth.
What are the names of the other children mentioned in the will?
What are the names of the witnesses, and/or overseers?
Was there an inventory of goods taken? Who did the appraising of them?
It may be that Elizabeth's family were mentioned in some other capacity.
There are quite a lot of entries for the name Wadson in this part of Staffordshire, so I don't think you can presume it's a spelling mistake.
You'll need to search under both Wadson and Watson.
There is a Richard WADSON baptised Dec 1758 at Aldridge, father Richard, mother Ann.
Richard WADSON married Ann Heath 31 Jan 1758 at Aldridge.
Half a dozen children baptised to them at Aldridge, some Watson, some Wadson.
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Hi
Thank you for your response, it was helpful, it's something to follow up,
The children names in the will was, Richard, William, Thomas, Sarah, Ann and John, and wife Elizabeth was sole Executive. I can't see any other names on there apart from a signaure of a Chas. Buckridge Snr at the finish.
There was tenaments, goods and if I'm reading it right Wadson's Court is mentioned, the writing is not the best to read.
Again thank you for your help
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The children names in the will was, Richard, William, Thomas, Sarah, Ann and John, and wife Elizabeth was sole Executive.
Is this the order that their names appear in the will?
Usually children were mentioned from the eldest to the youngest, but it was not a hard and fast rule.
If this was in order of their ages, they would seem to have had 3 children before Sarah in 1779 - the earliest baptism found so far.
Have you found the other three baptisms?
Added:
I can't find any baptisms for the older children to Richard and Elizabeth - Richard,William and Thomas, at Aldridge, or indeed the whole of Staffordshire, (or Derbyshire which is next to it).
HOWEVER, there is a baptism of a son Richard in 1759, William in 1760 and Thomas in 1766.
These are all children of Richard and Ann, as mentioned before.
Ann 'the wife of Richard Wadson' was then buried in 1774 at Aldridge.
(This was Ann Heath as mentioned before - she married Richard in Jan 1758).
It looks like what has happened is that Richard has then married, (or not!), Elizabeth a few years later about 1776, and had another 3 children with her.
Do you know how old Richard was when he died in 1806. The transcript on familysearch doesn't give an age, and the registers can only be viewed on findmypast.
You say in your original post, 'born about 1750'.
Is that just an estimate considering the baptism of the children you had found?
Still not found a marriage for Richard and Elizabeth about 1776.
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Are there any grandchildren mentioned in Richard's will of 1806?
Which of his children already have children of their own?
When did Elizabeth die? Did she leave a will?
What about any of their children?
If you want to post any parts of the will you're not too sure about, you can add an attachment to this post, or there is a special board for deciphering handwriting here
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/handwriting-deciphering-recognition/
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Hi
You have been so helpful and you confirmed what I was looking at last night about Richard having a '2nd Wife'.
I didn't about being able to post copies of wills on this site, I'm still learning,
there is another Will from when Elizabeth died, I shall try and attach both.
Again thank you for your time.
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Hi
No grandchildren mention,
I'm presuming Elizabeth died about 1816 as I've just found a second document on the death of Elizabeth that effects to go to Sarah Wadson now married to Thomas Linford.
Unfortunately it will not let me attach the document as they are greater than 900kb, tried individually but it exceeds 500kb.
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Index to death duty registers National Archives via ancestry.
Index has wife Elizabeth sole executrix, receives everything for her lifetime, chattels, furniture, live stock etc. After her death to be divided equally between his 3 children, Sarah Lindford (looks like, married name? ) Ann Wadson, and John Wadson,
ADDED Richard was a Yeoman of Aldridge
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Hi
No grandchildren mention,
I'm presuming Elizabeth died about 1816 as I've just found a second document on the death of Elizabeth that effects to go to Sarah Wadson now married to Thomas Linford.
Unfortunately it will not let me attach the document as they are greater than 900kb, tried individually but it exceeds 500kb.
Try clipping a part of the document. ('clipping tool on a PC, 'screenshot' on a Mac).
Here is some information on how to post an attachment
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,130922.0.html
And here to do a 'practice post'
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=370538.0
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Hello
Sarah Wadson married Thomas Linford 19.11.1800 at St Martins Birmingham so it looks like she would be born c 1780 .So a baptism 1779 fits.
If Richard married first 1758 so born 1728-1742.
There is an earlier Richard buried 4.7.1748 at Aldridge who left a Will 1749.
It mentions wife Sarah
Sons Richard ,Thomas and Isaac .Brother Thomas and son in law William Grove.
Lot of land and farms.
There is a Richard over in Great Barr children Mary 5.1.1727 died same year,Richard 21.3.1729 ,Joseph 24.12.1733-35 ,Thomas 4.1.1735 and Isaac 26.12.1737.
Maybe a daughter Sarah 4.1.1720 St Martins Birmingham.
That Richard would be 29 when he married Ann Heath .Older but ok and he did have a widowed mother Sarah buried Gt Barr 24.3.1772.
Seems to fit
ps marriage St Mary Handsworth Richard Wadson and Sarah Grove 21.10.1728
Ciderdrinker
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I really appreciate everything you have done, you've been realy helpful.
I've attaced the following:
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attachement 2
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The first clip is pretty hazy wolko.
It is only 125 kbs - you are allowed up to 500 kbs.
I've managed to transcribe the start of it, but after that it gets too hazy when you zoom in.
Can you post another clip of this bit as a bigger size file?
It does seem to only mention his 3 sons.
In your first post you said it mentioned 6 children including the Sarah Ann and John we found.
Where does it do that? They are not mentioned in this clip.
It looks as though there is more to come after the piece you posted.
It would help make a decision as to whether this Richard is the same father of them all.
It also mentions some names of the properties he holds, but it is too fuzzy to make a definite transcription. It MIGHT clear up whether he is of the same family as the previous generation of Wadsons of Great Barr. I can see the word 'Birmingham' in there, and a place called 'Wadsons Court', but it really needs to be transcribed properly.
In the Name of God Amen I Richard Wadson of Aldridge
in the County of Stafford Yeoman being weak in body but of sound mind
and memory, and duly considering that it is appointed for all men
to die doe publish and declare this my last will and Testament
in manner and form following (that is to say) first I give and bequeath
unto my three sons Richard Wadson, William Wadson and Thomas Wadson
the sum of one shilling a piece to be respectively paid to them in twelve
calendar months next after my decease by my Executors hereinafter
named I give devise and bequeath unto my dear and living Wife Elizabeth
Wadson All these my six? leasehold messuages ??
Tenements together with their one each and every of their appurtenances
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The second clip is the probate, and just mentions his wife Elizabeth.
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Good Morning
Just in case you go with the Wadsons I found in Great Barr.
Richard and Sarah Grove married 1728 Handsworth looks right.
Sarah was a widow who was previously married to a Joseph Groves. (Admin 1728/9).
They had 2 children William 24.11.1724 and Joseph 1.5.1727 .The latter seems to have died before his father's death in 1728 and the upbringing of William is mentioned in the Admin.
So the 1728 marriage may have been a letter marriage for both and Richard Wadson and Sarah Groves older than you would normally assume..
Just in case it helps.
Ciderdrinker
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2nd part of last will and testament
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Thank you to everyone that as helped, sorry the attachment is so fuzzy, that is how it appears on FindMyPast when downloaded.
Again thank you all for your help, it is greatly appreciated.
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Rest of will: (This is a larger file size and much easier to read when you zoom in).
(Subject to the Ground rent therefore due) situate in and near Chapel Street
in Birmingham aforesaid in the County of Warwick in the several tenures of
William Newman and others, and called Wadsons Court And also All my
Household Goods Furniture Live and dead Stock, Monies, Cattle, Chattels
Effects and personal Estate wheresoever and whatsoever To hold the same
Messuages and premises and my said Goods and Personal Estate unto
my said wife Elizabeth Wadson for and during the term of her natural
Life until she marries again And from and immediately after her
decease or second marriage I give devise and bequeath the same
Leaseholds Messuages and premises Goods and Personal Estate unto
my three Children Sarah Linford, Ann Wadson and John Wadson To hold
to them their Executors Administrators and Assigns for their own separate
use and benefit As Tenants in Common and not as joint Tenants
And declaring this to be my last Will and Testament I nominate and appoint
my said Wife Elizabeth Wadson sole Executrix hereof In Witness whereof I
have hereunto set and put my hand and seal this seventh day of
February One thousand eight hundred and six Richard Wadson
Signed sealed published and declared by the said Richard Wadson
on the day the same bears date as and for his last will and Test
ament in the presence of me who at his request in his presence and
in the presence of each other have set and inscribed our names
So we do have all six 6 children! Bingo!
I wonder why the 3 older children only get 'a shilling'.
Perhaps they had already had legacies or monies when they reached 21, or married - although there are no grandchildren named in this will from any of the children.
Having been mentioned in it and left a shilling, I understand they would not have been able to contest the will for a greater part of the estate.
And with Birmingham also being mentioned it certainly looks like it is the same family as the one around Great Barr.
Stacking up nicely, although still no more clues as to who Elizabeth was.
You mentioned she also left a will.
Does it mention any of her family other than her children?
Ive just re-read through these posts, and I think what you thought was a will for Elizabeth, is the second image you posted, which was the administration of Richard's will, where Elizabeth was executrix.
Do you know when Elizabeth died?
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It looks as though Elizabeth died 1814 and buried at St. Mary the Virgin, Aldridge, Staffordshire.