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Hi, would anyone mind sharing their eyes and see if they can find a marriage and 1851 cencus for my 3xgt aunt please.
Olive plant. Lived in Hanley stoke-on-Trent born.1811
married 1832 and widowed in 1846 - Olive Harrison
Olive Harrison had 6 ch.
After her husbands death two other children are born James Day 1848 in Bilston mother Harrison
and Alfred Day b.1852 (warwick mother Plant)
in 1861 Olive is back living in Hanley, married to William Day, with ch. james, Alfred, Stephen from first marriage and her niece Elizabeth.
can anyone find Olive Anywhere in 1851 and when and where did she marry William Day.
Thanks.
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It's possible they didn't actually marry but lived as man and wife but can you find William in 1851 or prior, what occupation did he have in 1861?
As children were born either side of 1851 they could be living together then under Day with little James.
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Olive Plant
Marriage 19 February 1832
Stoke on Trent, Staffordshire.
Spouses Harmet Harrison
Family search.
Colin
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Two children on family search.
John Harrison Christening 27 April 1832
Hanley, Staffordshire,
Parents Armitt Harrison, Olive
Peter Harrison Born 2 June 1835
Christening 4 October 1835
Hanley, Staffordshire
Parents Hasmet Harrison, Olive Harrison
Colin
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Armett Harrison
Burial 1 November 1846
Tunstall, Staffordshire.
Colin
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Drawing a blank on a marriage and 1851 I'm afraid :-\
Do you have an address for the birth of James?
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Drawing a blank on a marriage and 1851 I'm afraid :-\
Do you have an address for the birth of James?
Also, the address for Alfred, 1852, Warwick
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No i dont have an address, perhaps i need get his birth certificate. Olive seems to move out of Hanley after her husbands death, has theses two children and then returns married in 1861. in 1871 she is living with everyone in yorkshire and dies in Halifax yorkshire.
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This might be Stephen in 1851 aged 8. I see he was born circa 1842 on the 1861
Wolstanton And Burslem Union Workhouse Tunstall*
HO107/2002/679/6
*Add - born Tunstall
Gadget
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yes i've got Stephen thanks, he moves to Yorkshire with his mother and family in 1871
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So who of the family have you got in 1851?
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no one, i cant find anyone in 1851. Olive is a widow, has had the two children james day and Alfred day since her first husbands death William day is father of the two children but cant fnd any of them in 1851. Nor can i find a second marriage for Olive.
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This might be Stephen in 1851 aged 8. I see he was born circa 1842 on the 1861
Wolstanton And Burslem Union Workhouse Tunstall*
HO107/2002/679/6
*Add - born Tunstall
Gadget
Stephen is with the family in 1841 990 /19/30
Ancestry has transcribed him as Stephen ‘Brett’ - wrongly.
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I really don't understand you saying that you can;t find anyone in the 1851
# i cant find anyone in 1851.
When I said
This might be Stephen in 1851 aged 8. I see he was born circa 1842 on the 1861
Wolstanton And Burslem Union Workhouse Tunstall*
HO107/2002/679/6
*Add - born Tunstall
Gadget
???
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I think you are looking for Olive, James, William in 1851 is that right plus their marriage? The other Day child wasn’t yet born.
There’s a possible for William in 1851 single with family but haven’t double checked it.
As I suggested they may not have officially married.
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Transcriptions are possibly way out. On the 1861, Olive is transcribed as Maria *by F M P and, as Heywood says, with surname Brett in 1841!
*clearly Olive on the original
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Hi, thanks perhaps they never did marry. seems odd husband dies, she moves away, had two children then reappears in Hanley supposidly married to William day. William s birth in 1861 is given as Wiltshire, if i trace him he is happily at home with parents in 1851 no sign of an Olive or child james.
Just mustnt want to found yet.
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Were Olive's parents still alive in 1851?
You have possibly already checked to see if she or James were with them.
Hard to say if his birth address would help much or not, just to check it out in 1851 really.
What occupation did William have?
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Do you know when Olive and William died? Was she Olive Day **
** maybe this one Dec 1878 Halifax district age 70
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There is a Samuel Day mothers maiden name Plant born Sep 1853 Aston but not finding a registration for James :-\
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I've just got a cheap copy of Albert's birth cert - Q1 1852 Warwick, which I referenced earlier
Interestingly. it reads
born 14th December 1851, Althorp (?) Street. Leamington
Name Alfred Boy
Father William Day (railway labourer)
Mother Mary Day formerly Plant
Informant Mary Day, formerly Plant 15 Jan 1852
Gadget
Check 1851 for a Mary
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hi, yes I think thats Olives death. her husband? William died 1875 Bradford.
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Thanks for getting that info I'll go and search for a Mary Plant.
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Thanks for getting that info I'll go and search for a Mary Plant.
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I don't see her on a quick check.
If you'd like the birth cert send me an e-mil address via Pm.
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thank you so much, will do. Its most definatly The William, his occupation matches what I have in 1871.
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Mary Day the plot thickens! Still not finding her though :-\
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Did Olive have a sister or was it made up or ??
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There's an Althorpe St in Leamington Priors 1851 census - do you have a number by chance?
There are a couple of lodgers called Day on that street number 17 and he is a railway labourer but birthplaces don't match or names.
Henry 40 and Elen 42
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There's an Althorpe St in Leamington Priors 1851 census - do you have a number by chance?
There are a couple of lodgers called Day on that street number 17 and he is a railway labourer but birthplaces don't match or names.
Henry 40 and Elen 42
Very odd - William was definitely a railway labourer .
No number on the cert.
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Henry and Elen - could they be relatives of William or made up names ???
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I paged through the street and nothing else jumped out apart from those. Could be coincidence with the names.
Have to leave you to it now but will check back.
Oh one more thing to note if I had the right William in 1851 the census said he was blind.
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Olive has sisters Elizabeth, Sarah, Ann and a brother William (my x2grgrandfather) but from what I can see they all live in Hanley/Bucknell born/die there.
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Oh one more thing to note if I had the right William in 1851 the census said he was blind.
Not sure that you've got the correct entries ???
You stated Henry and Elen Day. There is a tick in the B or D col for both. It could be Deaf. Not sure if a railway labourer could be blind :-\
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ive just sent off for the other childs birth certificate hopefully will arrive shortly to see who is named on that one James
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i have got James birth certificate
father william day- wards field bilston
mother Mary Day formally Harrison
Harrison was Olives married name, seems very odd was she using a false name?
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She did marry a Harrison though- could be a relative?
This I think is correct for James and Alfred.
1871 has
William , 56, b. Swindon, Wilts
Olive, 60, b. Hanley, Staffs
James. 22. b. Bildton, Staffs
Alfred, 19, b. Leamington, Warwicks
No D or B ticks.
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yes her first husband was Harrison , her children also have that surname born when married.
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yes I have the 1861 and 1871
Im sure thats her in the birth certificates of james/Alfred but why she would change her name is a mystery
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in 1841 living kent street Hanley,
hermet harrison husband, olive wife, children john 9, peter 7, William 8, thomas 5, Mary 2 Stephen 1
Notice she has a daughter Mary - wonder if that could be connection ? never found out about her
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I think the other Days had moved from the lodgings is Leamington by Dec 1851 and Olve/Mary moved in.
Have we got James' full birth cert? or am I going around in circles :-X
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Gadget - just to clarify the blind notation I mentioned was from the 1851 census for William Day I was looking at. He was single and with family but I haven’t double checked it.
Inferring that the Henry and Elen in Leamington were different people.
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Right so James born wards field Bilston mother Mary again. Can we check for that address in 1851 just in case they are still there?
What about the Samuel Day MMN Plank born 1853 as well, could he be another brother?
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What brothers and sisters did Olive have, have you checked all those in 1851 to see if they have James :-\
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Her sister Elizabeth has a james age 3 in 1851 but he is regestered in stoke under the mothers married name Shirley, sarah had no James, Ann died in 1850 and didnt have a James and William had no children called James.
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so James and Alfred both are registered with MMN as Plant. Could she have died after the birth of Alfred and then Olive moved in with William and took over the care of the children, etc?
Any sign of a marriage for Mary and William?
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13 Mar 1837
Worcester
William Day m Maria Day
Source - England Marriages 1538-1973 (also Family Search)
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such a mystery, thank you both of you for all your help.
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Just out of interest I got the 1853 birth for Samuel Day MMN Plant to see who the parents were
Father John a brass founder
Mother Mary Ann
so he appears to be unrelated and my curiosity has been satisfied!
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Death for Olive Day 18 Nov 1878 West Vale Elland age 70 widow of William Day labourer
Informant Alfred Day son present at the death
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Thanks for that info. I guess Olive must have married somewhere, perhaps a small chaple not yet transcribed.