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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: dippitybix on Saturday 11 January 25 19:47 GMT (UK)
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Hello,
I'm looking for some help regarding my 1st cousin 5x removed Adolphus Charles Tilbury born 11 Feb 1867 born to Charles Tilbury and Ellen Susannah Mursell.
He was married to Mary - I found on ancestry a marriage record for Adolphus Charles Tilbury to a Mary Ann Knipe. A lot of trees on ancestry has his wife as a Mary Ann Waldron but I can't find any marriage records for this. I know ancestry trees are notorious for error.
Also in the 1901 census Adolphus is living with his wife Mary Ann and child Edith Tilbury aged 12 born Gosport.
I can't find any birth records for an Edith Tilbury with mother's maiden name Knipe or Waldron.
A search on the British Newspaper Archive shows that Adolphus was in and out of trouble. His father Charles was a butcher turned cab owner, Adolphus was also a butcher in his earlier life but went into cab driving/owner later on. He went to prison for stealing in 1905. There are also newspaper articles regarding him abandoning his wife but I can only access the newspaper archive when I visit my local library at the moment. There is also a free article on there about him being charged for cruelty to animals.
Any help provided would be greatly appreciated
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Marriage
26th October 1887 Parish Church Alverstoke
Aldolphus Charles Tilbury, 20, bachelor, cabman. Father: Charles Tilbury, cab proprietor
Mary Ann Knipe, 18, spinster. Father:William Knipe, stonemason
Both of Alverstoke
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I think possible 2nd marriage in 1902 Portsmouth to a Mary Ann Waldron, as on 1911 census says the marriage of Adolphus and Mary Ann was of nine years.
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Married 1887 but no children by 1891 yet 1901 shows Edith was b 1889?. As she is their only child I suspect she may be adopted
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An Edith Mary Waldron was b Alverstoke 1888 - illegitimate birth
1891 living with Turner relatives & shown as niece
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baptism St John, Forton
5 March 1889 Edith Mary, daughter of Mary Ann Waldron of 6 Harlane Place, Beach, Gosport
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Newspaper Report: Hampshire Post 1st March 1901
Charge of Wounding - Aldolphus Charles Tilbury was charged with unlawfully wounding Mary Waldron, with whom he had lived at Newtown. It was alleged that during a quarrel the woman received a cut in the neck. Prisoner was remanded until Friday.
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Portsmouth Evening News 26th July 1892
Matrimonial Failure
Aldolphus Charles Tilbury was charged on the information of Annie Tilbury his wife, who alleged that he had deserted her.
There is more to the story, confirms they got married in 1887, says he was living with another woman at Bury Road.
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Portsmouth Evening News 26th July 1892
Matrimonial Failure
Aldolphus Charles Tilbury was charged on the information of Annie Tilbury his wife, who alleged that he had deserted her.
There is more to the story, confirms they got married in 1887, says he was living with another woman at Bury Road.
Thank you for this information.
I've found him in the 1921 census as an inmate of the Alverstoke Workhouse.
There is also a record on ancestry of an Adolphus Charles Tilbury in the UK Royal Navy Register of Seaman's Services
Name Adolphus Charles Tilbury
Gender Male
Birth Date 17 Jun 1866
Birth Place Gosport, Hants
First Service Date 7 Jul 1884
First Ship Served On Duke of Wellington
Last Service Date 3 Nov 1885
Last Ship Served On Vernon
Service Number 127415
However I don't really understand what the record is saying, if it's the correct person is it saying he died due to an injury when on leave?! There can't be many other Adolphus Charles Tilburys out there.
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Baptism: 3rd March 1867 Alverstoke
Adolphus Charles Tilbury, son of Charles and Ellen Susannah, Gosport, born 11th February 1867.
Different date of birth to Royal Navy Adolphus Charles.
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Edith in 1891
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4QMN-CZM
previous page for head of house
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:4Q9Z-7ZM
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There is also a record on ancestry of an Adolphus Charles Tilbury in the UK Royal Navy Register of Seaman's Services
Name Adolphus Charles Tilbury
Gender Male
Birth Date 17 Jun 1866
Birth Place Gosport, Hants
First Service Date 7 Jul 1884
First Ship Served On Duke of Wellington
Last Service Date 3 Nov 1885
Last Ship Served On Vernon
Service Number 127415
However I don't really understand what the record is saying, if it's the correct person is it saying he died due to an injury when on leave?! There can't be many other Adolphus Charles Tilburys out there.
This register is one page per person. I think what has happened is you somehow clicked onto the "next page arrow", and are seeing the coroner's notes on the register for Claudius Bell.
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There is also a record on ancestry of an Adolphus Charles Tilbury in the UK Royal Navy Register of Seaman's Services
Name Adolphus Charles Tilbury
Gender Male
Birth Date 17 Jun 1866
Birth Place Gosport, Hants
First Service Date 7 Jul 1884
First Ship Served On Duke of Wellington
Last Service Date 3 Nov 1885
Last Ship Served On Vernon
Service Number 127415
However I don't really understand what the record is saying, if it's the correct person is it saying he died due to an injury when on leave?! There can't be many other Adolphus Charles Tilburys out there.
This register is one page per person. I think what has happened is you somehow clicked onto the "next page arrow", and are seeing the coroner's notes on the register for Claudius Bell.
Ahh yes thank you. Although the date of birth is incorrect on the navy record, I do think this is my Adolphus Charles Tilbury. A search on free BMD shows no other persons registered under this name and the navy document states his occupation as butcher, which he was in his earlier career like his father.
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Deaths Dec 1937
Tilbury Adolphus 69 Gosport 2b 804
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There is also a record on ancestry of an Adolphus Charles Tilbury in the UK Royal Navy Register of Seaman's Services
Name Adolphus Charles Tilbury
Gender Male
Birth Date 17 Jun 1866
Birth Place Gosport, Hants
First Service Date 7 Jul 1884
First Ship Served On Duke of Wellington
Last Service Date 3 Nov 1885
Last Ship Served On Vernon
Service Number 127415
However I don't really understand what the record is saying, if it's the correct person is it saying he died due to an injury when on leave?! There can't be many other Adolphus Charles Tilburys out there.
This register is one page per person. I think what has happened is you somehow clicked onto the "next page arrow", and are seeing the coroner's notes on the register for Claudius Bell.
Ahh yes thank you. Although the date of birth is incorrect on the navy record, I do think this is my Adolphus Charles Tilbury. A search on free BMD shows no other persons registered under this name and the navy document states his occupation as butcher, which he was in his earlier career like his father.
Portsmouth Evening News, 24th November 1937
DEATHS
TILBURY - Adolphus Charles Tilbury, on the 19th inst., aged 69, late ot 2a, Prince Alfred Street, Gosport — lnterred at Ann's Hill Cemetery on the 23rd inst.
Someone of this name in 1888 (Cab Driver) ; 1892 (Matrimonial case) ; 1905 (Accused of Theft, age 37), in newspapers.
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This death would be registered in the December Quarter.
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Apparently, according to the newspaper reporting the case, married October 1887 at Alverstoke Church.
She left him again in January 1890. Claimed that she went to London.
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There is also a record on ancestry of an Adolphus Charles Tilbury in the UK Royal Navy Register of Seaman's Services
Name Adolphus Charles Tilbury
Gender Male
Birth Date 17 Jun 1866
Birth Place Gosport, Hants
First Service Date 7 Jul 1884
First Ship Served On Duke of Wellington
Last Service Date 3 Nov 1885
Last Ship Served On Vernon
Service Number 127415
However I don't really understand what the record is saying, if it's the correct person is it saying he died due to an injury when on leave?! There can't be many other Adolphus Charles Tilburys out there.
This register is one page per person. I think what has happened is you somehow clicked onto the "next page arrow", and are seeing the coroner's notes on the register for Claudius Bell.
Ahh yes thank you. Although the date of birth is incorrect on the navy record, I do think this is my Adolphus Charles Tilbury. A search on free BMD shows no other persons registered under this name and the navy document states his occupation as butcher, which he was in his earlier career like his father.
Portsmouth Evening News, 24th November 1937
DEATHS
TILBURY - Adolphus Charles Tilbury, on the 19th inst., aged 69, late ot 2a, Prince Alfred Street, Gosport — lnterred at Ann's Hill Cemetery on the 23rd inst.
Someone of this name in 1888 (Cab Driver) ; 1892 (Matrimonial case) ; 1905 (Accused of Theft, age 37), in newspapers.
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This death would be registered in the December Quarter.
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Apparently, according to the newspaper reporting the case, married October 1887 at Alverstoke Church.
She left him again in January 1890. Claimed that she went to London.
Thank you for this, I'm going to have to subscribe to the Newspaper Archive again these reports sound too interesting not too!
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He went to prison in 1905
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If they declared their Fathers' at Marriage, these are possibly named on their Marriage Certificate?
Matrimonial Case 1892 Gosport Petty Sessions
It was only a shorter paragraph in one newspaper, both parties were represented.
It said the girl (which appeared to be his Wife he married in 1887 at Alverstoke Church) was 15 when they married.
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Portsmouth Evening News, 26th July 1892
A Matrimonial Failure.- Remarkable Case.
Long paragraph, brief summary of some events ...
Charged on the information of Annie Tilbury, his wife, her claimed address Londesborough Road, Southsea, other names mentioned including a Sailor.
When he met her, he lived with another woman in Bury Road.
The lady she was living at in London worked at Olympia. Living at 70 Stamford Street, part of the time, January 1890.
Sister called Minnie.
Alice Soaper, sister of the complainant corroborated some of the events.
Other names mentioned.
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The Hampshire Post, 12th October 1888
Gosport Police Court, Tuesday.
Adolphus Charles Tilbury, a cabdriver, of Gosport, was summoned by Mr, Bartholomew, ...
Charles Tilbury, the defendant's Father, was summoned ...
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Portsmouth Evening News, 5th June 1900
Gosport Petty Sessions.
He charged Thomas Stanley with stealing his reins.
Convicted.
Further additon:
1905
Looks like you found that case on Anc.