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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: SpareBott on Wednesday 08 January 25 20:47 GMT (UK)
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I am researching the Bradley family of Retford, of which there are thousands.
Currently I am looking into my GG grand-uncle - Thomas Bradley (22 Dec 1884 - 27 Jun 1949) in East Retford, Nottinghamshire, and his wife, until divorced, Florence Jane Bradley nee Duncanson (b. abt 1882 - ?)
I would like to find anything about how Thomas Died, and also, any death date for Florence Jane and a more accurate birth date. Even better would be her parents info...
The 1911 census says she was born in South London, and I found that they married in 1907 in Retford.
I did see a Florence Bradley who was born abt. 1882 and died 1959 in Retford but I am sure somewhere I found that this Florence married a Joseph Bradley and lived in Cottam, a village near Retford. Could she have re-married? Certainly but I can't nail it down!
He was quite a bad man; always in the papers with anything from selling questionable meat to beating his wife. There was also an article about Florence Jane in 1925 and how she came to his property and smashed some windows.
They had daughters - Doris, Ivy, Lily and Violet; maybe more?
Ample info in the papers about Thomas' antics, just nothing about his death. Which is unusual around these parts.
Thomas is son of John and Sarah; I have the 1871, (possible) 1891, 1911, 1921 census. And the 1939 record where he lives with his niece (don't get me started on that)
Any help, greatly appreciated!
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To find his cause of death you will have to buy a copy of his death cert. Sounds as though he may have died of natural causes
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Per www.freebmd.org.uk Florence Jane Duncanson was b 1877 & her mothers maiden name was Carlisle. If you want her exact birthdate you can buy a digital copy of her birth cert for Ł3
1862 marriage on freebmd for Archibald Duncanson & Jane Carlisle
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1881 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q27Q-R2N3
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If Thomas died 1949 - unless there was a divorce Florence could not have remarried before 1949.
As she was born 1877 she would have been 72 by 1949
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BIRTH RECORD
DUNCANSON, FLORENCE JANE Mother’s maiden name CARLISLE
GRO Reference: 1877 M Quarter in WANDSWORTH Volume 01D Page 672
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MARRIAGE - 19 Nov 1862 - St Anne, Soho, London
Jane CARLISLE to Archibald DUNCANSON
Archibald Dunanson, 25, bachelor, Compositor. Father – Archibald Dunanson, cloth presser.
Jane Carlisle, 17, spinster. Father – William Carlisle, compositor.
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1921 census There is a married Florence Bradley b London 1887 in the East Retford Workhouse
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There's another daugher listed on 1921 - took me a while to find a birth reg as it's distinctly messed up on Ancestry (to be fair the typescript on the image is quite thick)
Name Mena Bradley (actually Mona)
Q2 1916
Mother's Maiden Name Dumeansen (image is Duncanson)
East Retford Vol 7b p8
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Archibald DUNCANSON
Born in Glasgow abt 1837.
Son of Archibald DUNCANSON and Barbara McTURK (married 1835 Glasgow)
1841 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/61013577f493fd4746431f69/archabald-duncanson-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1837-?locale=en
1851 census
https://www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a15047af4040b9d6e0eafb5/archibald-duncanson-1851-lanarkshire-glasgow-1837-?locale=en
Death Dec 1912
Duncanson Archibald age 74
Wandsworth 1d 589
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Jane Susannah Stevens CARLISLE born 16 Oct 1845 Rotherhithe.
Daughter of William John CARLISLE and Jane FRANDER
1851 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:SGLH-3LC
Death
DUNCANSON, JANE SUSANNAH Age 85
GRO Reference: 1930 S Quarter in KENSINGTON Volume 01A Page 132
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A tree on Ancestry has an interesting newspaper report about Florence applying successfully for a separation order - Retford & Worksop Herald 1908 which was only a year after they married.
It also has a cutting detailing the 1925 incident
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1921 census There is a married Florence Bradley b London 1887 in the East Retford Workhouse
Precise place of birth is Lavender Hill
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Do you have a copy of the 1907 marriage cert to confirm that Florence's father was Archibald? Just to confirm she was b 1877 & not in the 1880's
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Per www.freebmd.org.uk Florence Jane Duncanson was b 1877 & her mothers maiden name was Carlisle.
Fabulous, thank you! Several people have said she is born in 1877 - I wonder why she is listed as being 29 on the 1911 census. I know sometimes they are a year out but this is several years!
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There's another daugher listed on 1921 - took me a while to find a birth reg as it's distinctly messed up on Ancestry (to be fair the typescript on the image is quite thick)
Name Mena Bradley (actually Mona)
Q2 1916
Mother's Maiden Name Dumeansen (image is Duncanson)
East Retford Vol 7b p8
Thank you Mabel - I did come across her somewhere and then lost her again! So this is great!
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A tree on Ancestry has an interesting newspaper report about Florence applying successfully for a separation order - Retford & Worksop Herald 1908 which was only a year after they married.
It also has a cutting detailing the 1925 incident
This is my tree ;D
I added a lot of articles last night. I searched Thomas Bradley in Retford, marine dealer of Moorgate and there was a treasure trove!
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Do you have a copy of the 1907 marriage cert to confirm that Florence's father was Archibald? Just to confirm she was b 1877 & not in the 1880's
I knew they married in 1907 but must have missed this - thats great! I bet having the wrong birth year is whats been causing all the confusion. Thank you so much again.
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Thomas Bradley was 7yrs younger than her so she probably lied about her real age
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Hi I have this man also in my family tree (not a direct relative). He is my 2nd great grand uncle - I am descended from one of his brothers. This brother was also a very bad man (my grandad always told me he hated his grandad). My whole branch of the family emigrated to Canada and then came back again to Retford. There were about 30+ of them who went to Canada but I can't find Thomas and Florence on the list.
Anyway, Thomas's parents were John Bradley (b 1829 in Eaton) and Sarah Nettleship (1834-1918 in Upton).
They had the following children:
George Bradley
1852–1930
Emily Bradley
1854–Deceased
Maria Bradley
1856–Deceased
John Bradley
1858–Deceased
William Bradley
1865–Deceased
Annie Bradley
1866–Deceased
Thomas Bradley
1871–1875
Martha Bradley
1874–1950
Mary Bradley
1880–Deceased
Thomas Bradley
1884-1949
Florence and Thomas got married in 1907. Given that Doris their daughter was born in the last quarter of 1907 she followed quickly after the marriage (could it have been a shotgun wedding?). I have the following as children of Thomas and Florence. But because they're not my direct ancestors, I haven't got as much detail as I have for direct ancestors.
Doris Bradley
1907–Deceased
Ivy Bradley
1909–Deceased
Lily Bradley
1911–Deceased
May Bradley
1912–Deceased
Violet Bradley
1914–Deceased
Mona Bradley
1916–Deceased
I also couldn't find a death date for Florence but I had a query in my notes that a Florrie/Florence Bradley died in 1944 and was estimated to have been born around 1880. I wondered if that was the right one but I haven't checked it because I'm off on another branch for now. Women often lied about their ages - either because they were much older than their spouse or because they were too young to get married. So as you probably already know you have to take a bit of give or take on birth dates. My own grandad had a completely made up birthdate because his parents forgot to register him and didn't want to get into trouble so his official birth date is not his real one. What were people in the olden days like eh?
Hope that helps you.
Also be careful as there is more than one Thomas Bradley in this area - it was a common name - and more than one Florence/Florrie Bradley. The Bradley family was huge and Thomas was a family name. Note that John and Sarah had another child called Thomas who died and they recycled the name.
Another hint - you can search Retford Cemetery for graves. I did that for you and I found there was a Thomas Bradley who was buried in 1949. His grave ID is 49,427.00 FID 34747 Plot 95
There is no Florence Bradley buried in the cemetery according to the search and it is not on his record. But from experience I've discovered that the second person buried in the grave often doesn't come up in their fairly crappy search capabilities. If you really are stuck and can't get there, I'll have a look the next time I go to see my grandparents and see if I can find the gravestone as there might be more clues on that - for example a wife buried there or indication of where she is buried. Here's the link to the grave search in case it helps you or others. But remember Retford cemetery only opened in 1854 so if your ancestors died before then they'd be in a church cemetery not in this one.
https://www.bassetlaw.gov.uk/community-and-living/cemeteries-in-bassetlaw/cemetery-deceased-search/
If you want to go further back in the Bradley or Nettleship families then I have linked it all into a tree on familysearch so you should be able to find a lot of info there.