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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: jibhauler14 on Monday 06 January 25 16:39 GMT (UK)
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Could anyone give me some advice regarding obtaining copies of wedding certificates in particular I am looking to confirm parentage if possible and origins, I have a William Cole birth registered ? or actually born in Dudley 1729 he dies in 1804 in Upper Gornal, he marries Mary Cooke born 1734 in Lower Gornal the marriage takes place at All Saints in Sedgley 22/04/1756, Mary dies 1802 in Gornal Wood, is it likely that the documents could be held in Dudley ?
Jib
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This may help
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/STS/Sedgley#ChurchRecords
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Prior to the start of civil registration in England and Wales, there were no certificates as such.
For marriages, no parents were recorded prior to 1837 and post that date, only fathers were named until quite recently. After 1754, the parish of residence was usually entered, but not the parish of birth.
For baptisms, both parents might be named, but many parishes omitted the name of the mother until as late as the 19th century (1813 onwards) when new requirements were placed on record keeping.
Nell
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In case you have not seen it Freereg has a transcript of the marriage
https://www.freereg.org.uk/search_records/5f5820eff493fd3a937aa3d5/mary-cooke-william-cole-marriage-staffordshire-sedgley-1756-04-22?locale=en
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Thank you for the info, trying to determine where the family came from and had a Joseph Cole from Halesowen and a Mary Burrows of Sedgley as possible parents but they appear to have been married on Dec 16 1729 and Joseph Cole was Baptised 11/02/1729 so unlikely to be the right parents, William and Mary Cooke look OK but back to the drawing board for his parents..
Thanks for your help
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1729 is before the calendar change in 1742. Prior to 1742 the calendar year started on Lady Day on March 25 so Dec 1729 came before Feb 1729. So the dates might work.
Pheno
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William Cole and Mary Cooke are my 6 x great grandparents :)
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jo1962 if I am on the right road William and Mary Cooke are my 4 ggp I only have one child for them a Joseph who married a Hannah Elwall.....
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Yes, you are right, only the one child that I can find. Joseph Cole and Hannah Elwell's son Stephen Cole is my 4 x great grandfather :)
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Well then my GGFather was Issachar Cole snr, 3 of Stephen Cole's daughters were at Issachar Cole jnr's wedding ... small world, question for you where do you think the Cole's came from as they do not appear to be part of the Sedgley Scene or Dudley in the 1700' and Issachar Cole jun's male side DNA starts with Irish,Scottish,Welsh, Brittany and a small amount of English... both Stephen and family and Issachar and family lived in the same street as Esther and her son Joseph...
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To much enthusiasm I am afraid the Stephen who lived next to Issachar was married to Rose Bennett and was my Great Uncle... but it seems we fell of the same original tree so to speak... and I did live in Sedgley for my formative years and there seemed to be relatives all over the place..
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It is indeed a small world! I don't know where the Cole name originates from unfortunately. Elizabeth Cole was my 3 x great grandmother so it's possible she was one of the 3 daughters of Stephen Cole you mentioned. She married Thomas William Parkin.
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Did you come down the Horatio Harris or James Wyatt route ?
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James Wyatt was married to my 2 x great aunt Ann Elizabeth Parkin. Horatio Harris was married to my 2x great aunt Jane Parkin. Ann and Jane were sisters of my 2 x great grandmother Emma Parkin.