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Title: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Janet Waterhouse on Thursday 02 January 25 10:25 GMT (UK)
Good morning,

Happy New Year.

I am having difficulty transcribing the surname of Philip shown on the attached image.

Philip's name is the sixth entry.

Philip ? & Jane Womersley.  Maried Septebr [September] 9th.

Family Search and FindMyPast suggest: Udall.

The parish register transcription on Ancestry suggests: Ball

Help!

Regards,

Janet
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 02 January 25 13:27 GMT (UK)
I don't think the first letter is a U.  It could be a t or .possibly a long s but ..

Let's hope one of the experts come along.

Gadget


Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Lewis21 on Thursday 02 January 25 13:50 GMT (UK)
Looking at another source I think it probably is Udall (attached), although I agree the letter on the copy you have is not very much like a U at all.
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 02 January 25 14:05 GMT (UK)
That's much clearer  :)
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Janet Waterhouse on Thursday 02 January 25 14:41 GMT (UK)
A problem arises with Lewis21 image, where this is a copy made after the interregnum 1649 to 1660.  When all previous parish records held at the church had to be copied into parchment leaved bound books by the cleric, being permagnus usus, of great use.

The Bishop's Transcripts were submitted to the diocesan bishop’s registrar, annually.  In this case 1636.

Janet
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 02 January 25 14:44 GMT (UK)
Janet - The one that Lewis referred to is on Ancestry.

Are there any baptisms of any offspring of the couple or deaths?

Gadget
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Janet Waterhouse on Thursday 02 January 25 14:54 GMT (UK)
That is correct Gadget, the Ancestry image is a copy taken from the Parish register (PR) years later.  The original PR no longer exists.
I have searched for baptisms and deaths of offspring and parents using Udall and variants, with no success.

Janet
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 02 January 25 14:56 GMT (UK)
There's a baptism for an Ann Udall on 23 March 1648, Leeds, St  Peter.  Father is Phillip Udall

And ,same place, Michael Udal, bpt 13 Feb 1642. Father Philllip

Maybe??
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 02 January 25 15:02 GMT (UK)
Acording to Google, Batley to Leeds is only about 8 or 9 mls and this was just before the Civil War so ,,,,,,
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Janet Waterhouse on Thursday 02 January 25 15:08 GMT (UK)
Also a Ann Udall christened at Leeds Minster 13 March 1639, father Phillip.
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Gadget on Thursday 02 January 25 15:16 GMT (UK)
Yes, sorry - finger slip on keys 3 not 4. Also it is given as 38 and 39 as calendar still  old style.
Title: Re: Help with surname on All Saints' Batley Marriage BTs 1635
Post by: Janet Waterhouse on Sunday 12 January 25 10:43 GMT (UK)
Thank you to all who responded.

Regards,

Janet