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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lincolnshire => Topic started by: sft456 on Wednesday 01 January 25 11:13 GMT (UK)
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Hi
Frederick Joseph BELL & Frances RANBY marriage 1861/2
Some confusion as to the date this couple m - BMD has Dec qtr 1861, Family S has Jan 1862 but no specific date (marriage notice Event date 2.1.1862 Lincs Chronicle)
Perhaps if anyone has access to this newpaper, a date could be confirmed
As always we are grateful for any assistance
sft456
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Dec 1861 Stamford 7a 641
If you get the marriage certificate it will give you the exact date.
Familysearch quite often get things wrong.
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As FreeBMD has the marriage in the October/November/December quarter of 1861 then the marriage must have taken place during those months. The fact that you say there is a marriage notice on 2.1.1862 in the Lincs Chronicle (although I couldn't find that), suggests the couple married late in December, possibly Christmas Day as many people did in those days as it was the only day they had off work.
As emeltom says, if you want to know the exact date you will have to buy the marriage certificate. I've searched FindMyPast but the only info is what FreeBMD has, likewise Ancestry.
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Are you trying to determine if he was a widower when he married?
Frederick Joseph Bell married Mary Ann SHORT 1848 registered Wisbech
1861 he is a widower living in Stamford Nottinghamshire with 2 children Frederick J Bell 6 born Wisbech and Mary Ann 5.
These children were registered Wisbech 1854 - Frederick and 1856 - Mary Ann with mother's maiden name SHORT.
Mary Ann Bell - death registered Stamford 1858 age 38.
1871 the family is in Fletton Huntingdonshire
Frederick 42 born Whittlesey
Frances 32 born London
Frederick 16 (from 1st marriage) born Wisbech
Mary Ann 15 ( from 1st marriage) Born Wisbech
Albert 7 Born Stamford
Arthur 3 Born Fletton
Emily 8 months Born Fletton
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GRO Index
Albert Arthur Bell 1864 reg. Stamford mother's maiden name Ranby
Elizabeth Ann Bell 1865 reg. Stamford same death reg. 1867 Peterborough age 1
Arthur Henry Bell 1867 reg. Peterborough same
Emily Bell 1870 reg. Peterborough mmn Rauby
Eliza Ann Bell 1875 reg. Peterborough mmn Ranby
Elizabeth Bell 1877 reg. Peterborough same
Herbert Bell 1881 reg. Peterborough same
1881 census they are in Clee with Weelsby
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To know 100% you will need a copy of the marriage certificate.
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I don't have a subscription, but I think the annoncement was on the 3rd January 1862 "At the chapel, Stamford, Saturday last (by the Rev W. Chauibets[?]) Fredk Joseph Bell, St Martin's to Frances of All Saints ..."
So I think that is the 28th Dec 1861.
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I finally found the newspaper entry, via FindMyPast
Lincolnshire Chronicle - 3 January 1862 - page 8
At the Wesleyan Chapel, Stamford on Saturday last (by the Reverend W Chambers) Fredk. Joseph Bell of St Martin's, to Frances Ranby of All Saints'.
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I finally found the newspaper entry, via FindMyPast
Lincolnshire Chronicle - 3 January 1862 - page 8
At the Wesleyan Chapel, Stamford on Saturday last (by the Reverend W Chambers) Fredk. Joseph Bell of St Martin's, to Frances Ranby of All Saints'.
I couldn't find that when I looked, will have another look just for my satisfaction!
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LizzieW - I just entered Frances Ranby under the "Britain - all categories" and that was the first entry.
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Frederick Joseph Bell's first marriage was to Mary Ann Short in Wisbech, Cambridgeshire on 6th July 1848.
Fathers: John Bell and, strangely, Massey Cross. Transcript only.
Mary Ann Bell died in Stamford in 1860, age 38.
1851: Bedford Street, Wisbech St Peters, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire.
Joseph Ball Head Married Male 23 1828 Porter Whittlesey, Cambridgeshire
Mary A Ball Wife Married Female 23 1828 - Ireland
Four children: Elizabeth Ann 1853, died 1854, Frederick Joseph 1854, Mary Ann 1856, died 1858, and George James 1857, died 1858.
David
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I was wondering if Frederick Joseph Bell was the illegitimate son of Rebecca Bell of Wisbech, born c1826.
1841: Russell Street, Wisbech St Peter, Wisbech, Cambridgeshire
Rebecca Bell Female 35 1806 Cambridgeshire
Joseph Bell Male 15 1826 Cambridgeshire
Caroline Bell Female 5 1836 Cambridgeshire
Elizabeth Bell Female 70 1771 Cambridgeshire
Rebecca's death reported in the Cambridgeshire Free Press on 8th September 1849, and Caroline was in the workhouse in 1851. Buried on 4th September.
Elizabeth died Q1 1850, aged 87.
Massey Cross had children in the same period but no Frederick or Joseph.
It would be interesting to see the two marriage certificates.
David
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LizzieW - I just entered Frances Ranby under the "Britain - all categories" and that was the first entry.
I was probably trying to hard, I went to Newspapers and then had to put in county, etc.!!
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Rhanks all for your reserearch
A nuisance that the newpapers are more keen to tell us the date of their report rather than the date of the Marriage. However it would seen to have been 28 Dec 1861 Wesleyan Chapel, Stamford, Lincs
I think Frederick Joseph Bell was possibly illegitimate or fostered by Massey Cross & his wife Elizabeth (nee Meadows) though he never appeared with them on the 1841 C (aged 12) I have neen unable to find his parents
Mary Ann Short's father was John a Farmer/Farrier
At their m on 6.7.1848 F J was recorded as 32 so b @1816, she 21, he a Porter, she a Servant, her father John a Farmer, his, Massey Cross a Porter. In 1851 C, Fred J was b @1828 Wisbech/Whittlesea. In 1861 he was b @ 1828, so m age was more like 20 rather than 32!
Death date unknown - last time recorded 1901 C in Clee with Wheelsby aged 79 - a 1903 d fits but that F J B was aged 0!