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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: David 58 on Tuesday 17 December 24 01:05 GMT (UK)
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Hello all :)
I'm looking for information re; Alfred Edwin Jones, born in Wolverhampton, Jan,Feb, Mar. 1876.
Parents Alfred Jones (1853-1899), & Florence Stone (1856-1929), both of Wolverhampton, and married at St.Luke, Wolverhampton on 11 Feb, 1877.
I take it that Alfred Edwin was born out of wedlock, although his parents were soon to marry, I assume baby Alfred being named after Alfred Jones his father, and Edwin after Florence's father, Edwin Stone, who died in 1869.
I have Geneanet information and a birth registration, but scant other evidence for his birth, other than 6b, page 56, ..although an 1893 marriage to Roseannah Watkins records his parents as Alfred Jones and Florence Stone, born in Wolverhampton.
On the 1911 census, Alfred Edwin had changed his name to 'Alfred Stephen Jones', although I take this as an enumerator error.
Another son, Albert Edward was born to Alfred and Florence Jones in the last quarter 1877, at Wolverhampton. He does appear on the 1881 and 1891 census as being part of the Alfred Jones household, whereas Alfred Edwin does not. Albert married Fanny Haines in 1899.
I cannot find a 4 year old Alfred Edwin Jones in the 1881 census, although it would not be outside the realm of possibility that young Alfred may have been staying with relatives, or in Hospital, etc.
I guess what I need is further confirmation of Alfred Edwin's birth, and his whereabouts in 1881.
Have a happy Christmas everyone !!
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GRO Index
The Alfred Edwin Jones registered Wolverhampton March quarter 1876 has mother' maiden name of MERRIMAN.
So not your Alfred Edwin Jones
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If your ancestor is Alfred Edwin Jones 1876 you have the wrong parents.
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Note the name:
Edwin Alfred Jones and Rossannah Watkins 1893 the other female being Susan Holt.
Marriages in England do not name the mother so where are you getting this from?
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What is the latest known fact you have about Alfred Edwin Jones - your relative?
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Oh, just this; ..
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For Your interest.
The family JONES whose boy, named Alfred Edwin (listed as Alfred E R ) was born in 1876 can be seen on the 1881 census in Wolverhampton.
Piece 2799
Folio 42
Page number 29
Father is William and mother Elizabeth nee MERRIMAN. They lived in Coleman Street and father was a bricklayer.
Here is the birth of one of his siblings seen there.
There are others if you look on GRO including Elizabeth in 1867
JONES, MARY ANN mms MERRIMAN
GRO Reference: 1869
S Quarter in WOLVERHAMPTON
Volume 06B Page 460
Sue
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Alfred Edward R Jones married Rose Hannah Bailey 1895 reg. Wolverhampton
Children from the 1911 census you quoted plus GRO Index
Fanny Elizabeth Reid Jones reg. 1896 Wolverhampton mother's maiden name Bailey
Gladys Mabel reg. 1901 Wolverhampton mmn Bailey
Muriel Edna reg. 1905 Wolverhampton mmn Bailey
Rose Margery reg. 1911 Wolverhampton mmn Bailey
I'll ask again what facts do you have for YOUR ancestor because the 1911 census is for a different family.
Start with your parents names and when they were married and work backwards.
The 1901 census you quoted is also for Alfred Edward Reid Jones and his wife Rose Hannah Bailey.
The geanet tree is all wrong
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The geanet tree is all wrong
MMmmm... So often the sad case
Sue
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Ok, ..so I take it that Geaneanet is not to be taken seriously ??
Makes me wonder where the contributor got the information from in the first place ..
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They guess because the names "fit" but didn't check census or bmd records.
Start with your own parents. look at their marriage certificate and see who their father' are.
You know the dates of birth.
Rootschatters will help if you would like us to.
Should you decide post their names but only if they are deceased.
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I've researched all of my Jones family back to Edward Jones, miner, of Holywell, N. Wales, (b.1800), married Margaret Williams (1797) also of Holywell. Son Robert Jones (b.1821) of Holywell, married
Emma Williams (b.1826) of Welshpool, Montgomeryshire, in 1847 at Liverpool.
Robert's family;
Elizabeth, b. 1848 at Walsall
May Ann, b. 1850 at Bilston
Alfred, b. 1853 at Wolverhampton
Thomas, b. 1861 at Wolverhampton (my grandfather)
The family lived at Blakenhall.
Alfred followed his father Robert and became a Bricklayer along with another worker and lived at Stephen's Gate, Wolverhampton, with a family of 7;
Albert Edward (1877)
Clara (1898)
Florence Eliz. (1888)
Gertrude (1895)
Joseph (1898)
Thomas (1882)
William (1878)
Thomas emigrated to Australia in 1884, followed by father Robert in 1885.
I came across 'Alfred Edwin' somewhere on Ancestry (?), and both the given names fitted as in my previous post, as opposed to Albert Edward, ..the true documented son of Alfred Jones snr.
I wondered if 'Alfred Edwin' was in fact illegitimate, born the year before Alfred Jones and Florence Stone married, ..and kept out of documentation, because of social stigma, etc. ..Why were these 2 given second names and not other children of the family, excepting for Florence Elizabeth ??
I guess if nothing further turns up then I have to concede to a wild goose chase, ..but that is probably what geanolgy can become quite often.
There are 50,183 results for Alfred Jones in the 1881 census .. :-X
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Hi.
It is hard not to feel frustrated when these things happen but at least, by doing your research thoroughly you will have a good solid family tree.
Here is a bit of information to help you with the parents of this Alfred Edwin Read JONES.
His mother was Elizabeth nee MERRIMAN as we have discussed. According to census information, born 1838 in Wolverhampton.
Using the spelling MERRYMAN and looking at 1851, Elizabeth, a scholar is with her parents and siblings aged 14 (1838 born Wolverhampton).
Her mother is Lucy and her father William MERRYMAN , a cabman.
William died.
Deaths Mar 1857
Merryman William
At Wolverhampton
6b/253
And in 1858 Lucy remarried to Stephen READ.
In 1861 Stephen READ and wife Lucy are a family with the MERRYMAN children listed as step children to STEPHEN, head of house.
Elizabeth is not there but the others are clearly identifiable as her siblings.
She must have liked and respected her stepfather when she inserted the name READ into the name of her own son. Alfred Edwin READ JONES.
You will not be able to verify anything much unless you start with your own parents and edge backwards.
Sue
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So from what you have sketched out above, you are descended from Thomas JONES, a tailor, son of Robert JONES bricklayer and wife Emma nee WILLIAMS.
He married Phoebe BIRCH and with their son came to Victoria in 1884 where further children were born.
Presumably one of these was your father (or was it a child of one of these your parent?)
Can you clarify just where Alfred, the subject of this query fits in?
Sue
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Thanks Sue.
Yes, I'm the son of Charles Jones, (1888) at Kew, Victoria, Aus.
Charles' father was Thomas Jones (1861) of Wolverhampton.
Thomas' brother was Alfred Jones, (1853) of Wolverhampton.
Alfred's children;
Albert Edward (1877)
Clara (1898)
Florence Eliz. (1888)
Gertrude (1895)
Joseph (1898)
Thomas (1882)
William (1878)
I'm not even sure that my 'Alfred Edwin Jones' even fits in to this family at all.
By the looks of it, it seems that my hunch can't be supported by the evidence.
Maybe I got carried away with someone's tree on Ancestry whom I though may have been related.
The trouble is, that at age 72 I'm the youngest of my line of Jones males, there is no family member alive now to shed any light on my dead relatives.