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Title: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: AnnaMartin on Monday 16 December 24 11:37 GMT (UK)
Not sure where the best chat room to ask this question would be?

My husband’s family have included English, Scottish and Irish peerages in their history. I am curious because the son of the previous holder of one of the titles hasn’t yet registered. My son is apparently next in line. Does anyone have any idea if there is a time limit on registering, or if the person would need to renounce the title, or if they would need to die, before the title went to the next person in line?

Would anyone know if there is another or better site for my research?
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Kiltpin on Monday 16 December 24 23:51 GMT (UK)
There is no time limit. Unless the presumptive peer declines his peerage, or dies, it cannot pass on. Lord Lucan is still presumed to be alive, so his son cannot claim the title. The Lord Chancellor's office are the people to contact. 

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Kiltpin on Monday 16 December 24 23:58 GMT (UK)
There is also something about a peer only able to decline his peerage only for himself, but not for any offspring, legally born of the body, he might yet have.   

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: aghadowey on Tuesday 17 December 24 12:08 GMT (UK)
There is no time limit. Unless the presumptive peer declines his peerage, or dies, it cannot pass on. Lord Lucan is still presumed to be alive, so his son cannot claim the title. The Lord Chancellor's office are the people to contact. 
Regards 
Chas 

Actually, Lord Lucan has been presumed and declared dead (in 2016) and his son is now the 8th Earl of Lucan-
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2016/feb/03/lord-lucan-death-certificate-granted-more-than-40-years-after-disappearance
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: AntonyMMM on Tuesday 17 December 24 14:09 GMT (UK)
Not sure where the best chat room to ask this question would be?

My husband’s family have included English, Scottish and Irish peerages in their history. I am curious because the son of the previous holder of one of the titles hasn’t yet registered. My son is apparently next in line. Does anyone have any idea if there is a time limit on registering, or if the person would need to renounce the title, or if they would need to die, before the title went to the next person in line?

Would anyone know if there is another or better site for my research?

For England/Wales you would start by talking to the College of Arms, in Scotland it would be the Office of the Lord Lyon
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Erato on Tuesday 17 December 24 14:25 GMT (UK)
Just curious - what are the advantages of being a peer?
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: AnnaMartin on Tuesday 17 December 24 16:02 GMT (UK)
Family history only. It was actually a baronacy, which I have discovered aren’t peers. I believe it has been claimed after all. It had said it was dormant.
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Mike in Cumbria on Tuesday 17 December 24 18:17 GMT (UK)
Just curious - what are the advantages of being a peer?
Other than bragging rights, none.
At one point being a hereditary peer gave you a seat in the House of Lords but since the partial reforms, this is no longer the case.
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Vance Mead on Tuesday 17 December 24 18:35 GMT (UK)
According the site of the College of Arms, "the Officers provide assistance and advice in establishing succession" to a peerage.

https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/peerages-and-baronetcies
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Kiltpin on Tuesday 17 December 24 19:12 GMT (UK)
According the site of the College of Arms, "the Officers provide assistance and advice in establishing succession" to a peerage.

https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/peerages-and-baronetcies (https://www.college-of-arms.gov.uk/resources/peerages-and-baronetcies)
 

Yes, at 110 Guineas per hour, or part there of. Then they send their findings to the Lord Chancellor's Office, where the registration takes place. The first thing the College ask you is "What information do you have?" Either they do the work, for an enormous price, or you do the work, and they check it, for a lesser price. 

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: MollyC on Tuesday 17 December 24 19:28 GMT (UK)
One of the "advantages" used to be that you lost your right to vote for a member of the House of Commons.  Have they got the vote back, now they have lost their seats?
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Kiltpin on Tuesday 17 December 24 19:35 GMT (UK)
As well as, they can have their title(s) on their passports. Also, Baronets and Lords of the Manor of XXX (both not part of the Peerages), can be added and for some reason Freemen of any of the Cities of the UK. They used to add Fellowships as well, but no longer. 

Regards 

Chas
Title: Re: Registering for a Peerage
Post by: Vance Mead on Tuesday 17 December 24 19:46 GMT (UK)
Establishing one's right to a peerage is the easy part. Learning which fork to use and unlearning the use of words such as Settee and Pardon? is much more difficult.