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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Carmarthenshire => Topic started by: telephonist on Thursday 12 December 24 00:49 GMT (UK)
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Hello from NZ, I wonder if anyone knows how I might find any more info about this man with the info on his death notice. I have no memory of where this death notice came to me from either I'm afraid!
Is there a history place in Carmarthen i could email?
Kind regards.
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There is this Death notice on Ancestry U K British Army Navy B M D Records
Thomas Johns Weir age 68 Lieutenant died 13 Dec 1849 at Grove Place Swansea
Marriage
Thomas Johns Weir 9 March 1827 in the parish of Penally Pembrokeshire
Spouse Catherine Keneston
Are you familiar with any of these names ?
Rosie
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Possible connection through his grandson Charles Lowther Weir ?
Died 1919 Melbourne Australia
Rosie
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Thanks so much for your quick reply, unfortunately this does not seem to be the Thos Weir I am researching!
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Thanks so much for your quick reply, unfortunately this does not seem to be the Thos Weir I am researching!
Do you mean the 68 year old Thos Weir in the death notice is also not the one you are looking for.
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Thanks so much for your quick reply, unfortunately this does not seem to be the Thos Weir I am researching!
Do you mean the 68 year old Thos Weir in the death notice is also not the one you are looking for.
The information on address from the probate record matches the newspaper clipping but appears to be the wrong person :)
Rosie
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I have found my Thomas I think, he buried Danygraig Cemetery Plot 475A and his daughter Sarah Ann is in the same plot! She died 1877. They lived at Catherine Street, Swansea Wales.
Would i find a death notice anywhere from his family?
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Not his death, but a promotion in 1811 Cambrian newspaper col 4 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3322575/3322578/10/
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Thomas born about 1821! but thanks.
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I have found my Thomas I think, he buried Danygraig Cemetery Plot 475A and his daughter Sarah Ann is in the same plot! She died 1877. They lived at Catherine Street, Swansea Wales.
Would i find a death notice anywhere from his family?
Sarah Ann Weir was 17 . Mar qtr 1877.
WEIR, SARAH ANN mmn HOLLAND :
1860 M Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL
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I have found my Thomas I think, he buried Danygraig Cemetery Plot 475A and his daughter Sarah Ann is in the same plot! She died 1877. They lived at Catherine Street, Swansea Wales.
Would i find a death notice anywhere from his family?
Sarah Ann Weir was 17 . Mar qtr 1877.
WEIR, SARAH ANN mmn HOLLAND :
1860 M Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL
Would this be your Sarah Ann Weir.
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I have found my Thomas I think, he buried Danygraig Cemetery Plot 475A and his daughter Sarah Ann is in the same plot! She died 1877. They lived at Catherine Street, Swansea Wales.
Would i find a death notice anywhere from his family?
Sarah Ann Weir was 17 . Mar qtr 1877.
WEIR, SARAH ANN mmn HOLLAND :
1860 M Quarter in STOKE DAMEREL
Would this be your Sarah Ann Weir.
They are on the 1871 census at Catherine Street Swansea Glamorgan
Piece 5456
Folio 111
Transcribed as Weer on Ancestry
Rosie
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Gunner Thomas Weir
in the UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960
NameGunner Thomas Weir
EventMarriageGenderMale
Marriage Date16 Jun 1850
Marriage PlaceEverton Lancashire
Spouse Mary Ann Hullahan *** not Holland.
1881Swansea
Thomas Weir 60Head
Mary Ann Weir 48Wife
Catherine Weir 19Daughter
Lilly Weir16 Daughter
1891 Mary Ann is a widow.
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Mothers maiden name Hullahan
Marriage 16 June 1850
Liverpool Catholic Records
Mary Ann Hullahan
Thomas Weir
Record also on UK British Army B M D
Rosie
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Deaths Sep 1887
Weir Thomas 73 Swansea 11a391
Nothing found in Welsh newspapers.
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Thank you both for your interest and help. I am left wondering if Hullahan and Holland is the same
person. Thomas is buried in same grave as Sarah Ann.
They lived in Catherine Street.
I have been unable to find any record of Mary Ann who was left a widow on 1891 census despite lots of help from others.
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I would say Holland and Hullahan are the same. Just either wrongly transcribed or misheard.
I have recently been searching for a lady, in one BIrth record for a child her mmn name was Biddel. Other children were Bidder.
Mother made her mark so couldn't write her name.
Her name was actually Biddyr.
A digital birth certificate only costs £3 . Instant download from GRO.
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Swansea electoral register 1893-1894
Mary Ann Weir
Address 17 Catherine Street
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The next year William Croot is living at that address
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Wow Mabel, that’s 1st sighting of Mary Anne after 1891. Any chance of a death record any place for her please?
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Looking at the 1891 census for Mary Ann Weir I see she has a daughter Catherine Waldron living with her .Catherine Weir married Henry Charles Waldron 1891 Swansea there was a birth on gro.gov
Florence Gwendeline Waldron 1891 Swansea
Mothers maiden name Weir
Both parents are dead by 1901 census
Henry Charles Waldron 26 Oct 1897 Derby
Catherine Waldron 27 February 1901 Derby
You can find this on findagrave Nottingham Road Cemetery Derby with other possible children died young for this couple ..
Now this could be a possibility although the place's of birth are different ?
1901 Census Leicester street Derby
Mary Ann Ware age 72 born Liverpool widow
Florry Wrildren age 9 born Liverpool
They are lodging with a James and Mary Ellen Sims
Florence can be found in the 1911 census with grandparents Waldron
Rosie
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If this is Mary and Florence in Derby there is a death for
Mary Ann Weir age 69 1904 Derby birth year about 1835 in
I don't have a subscription to newspapers but there is notice
26 February 1904 Derbyshire Advertiser maybe worth checking to see what it says
Rosie
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It's in the Derby Telegraph as well
Just her name and age 69.
Died on 16 February at 16 Malcolm Street.
The page isn't fully visible.
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Nov. 3, 1897
Publication: Derby Mercury (Derby, England)Issue: 9539
.-The funeral of the late Police constable Waldron, 28 years of age, who died from consumption on Saturday week, took place at the New Cemetery, Nottingham Road. on Tuesday afternoon. The first part of the service was taken at St. Mary's Church. The deceased was followed to his last resting place by the Chief Constable (Colonel Delacombe), Supt. Clamp, Inspectors Adams, Tinker, Claye, and Looke, Inspector Dexter, and 54 sergeants and men of the Borough police.
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The committee have granted to the widow of the late Police-constable Henry Waldron, who served in the force for six years, a gratuity' of £ 36 8s (being one month's pay for each completed year of service) under the Police Act, 1890
Just a little bit of interest.
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It's in the Derby Telegraph as well
Just her name and age 69.
Died on 16 February at 16 Malcolm Street.
The page isn't fully visible.
That's a pity no family mentioned
Rosie
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Thanks to you both, ROSIE and WILCOXON for all this infomation.
At last I have found Catherine Death. She is in same plot as husband .
I have made a request for a grave photo.
I am unsure if the death is Mary Ann Weir as the record in 1901 says she is 72.
That is her with her grandaughter Florry (mistranscribed).
I had also found out she lived with her grandparents are her parents and grandmother died.
You have been so helpful .
Yet to find out if Florence ever married and when she died.
Thanks also for the details of Waldron death notice etc.
Wishing you a very happy christmas season. Margaret
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I would take a chance on the death for Mary Ann Weir 1904 ages can be a bit misleading at times .I would say that is her on the 1901 census with Florence she obviously was looking after her when her Mother died and they were in that area .
Rosie
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There was also a son Howard Charles Waldron born 1893 Derby
He is with his grandparents Patrick and Eliza Waldron
1901 Census Nottingham
Rosie
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WEIR, MARY ANN 69 GRO Reference: 1904 M Quarter in DERBY
Digital image from GRO. Is £3. Instant download.
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Hello again, what else could i expect to see on the record if i order?
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Name. Age. Place of death. Cause of death. Name of informant and relationship.
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The original newspaper clipping is from the British Army Despatch 28 Dec 1849, p1232.
Therefore the Thomas Weir named in that notice aged 68, was born in 1781.
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Notice of death also printed by The Monmouthshire Merlin 20 Dec 1949, p.3 https://newspapers.library.wales/view/3394776/3394779/49/royal%2BOR%2Bcarmarthen%2BOR%2Bfusiliers
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There are a number of results for "Wier" when searched on the Cambrian Online index. The actiual articles are not however online, but are accessible via the Swansea Library or West Glam Archives. https://www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian?lang=en
Looking at the info available in the indexed entries, there would appear to be more than one Weir family living in Swansea.
Looking for one around the time of the 1849 death, this Thomas Weir could in fact be Thomas John(e)s Weir who married Catherine Kynaston in Penally 9 Mar 1827. He was described on marriage certs of some of his children including 23 Dec 1862, Briton Ferry, of Charles Bridger Wier to as Thomasine Lowether as "Lieutenant in the army. On Charles's baptism at St Clears
22 Oct 1833 Thomas Johns Weir is decsribed as " Gentleman."
On son John Alexander Weir's marriage cert 3 Dec 1870 at Kenwyn Cornwall as "Luit 1st Foot "
He is at High st St Clears 1841 with wife and family Class: HO107; Piece: 1382; Book: 1; Civil Parish: St Clare; County: Carmarthenshire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 7; Page: 5; Line: 11; GSU roll: 464309
1861 Catherine Weir is widowed and living with children at 1 Grove Place, along with her sister Martha Kynaston Class: HO107; Piece: 2466; Folio: 274; Page: 56; GSU roll: 104215-104217
There are also trees for the above.
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There are a number of results for "Wier" when searched on the Cambrian Online index. The actiual articles are not however online, but are accessible via the Swansea Library or West Glam Archives. https://www.swansea.gov.uk/cambrian?lang=en
Looking at the info available in the indexed entries, there would appear to be more than one Weir family living in Swansea.
Looking for one around the time of the 1849 death, this Thomas Weir could in fact be Thomas John(e)s Weir who married Catherine Kynaston in Penally 9 Mar 1827. He was described on marriage certs of some of his children including 23 Dec 1862, Briton Ferry, of Charles Bridger Wier to as Thomasine Lowether as "Lieutenant in the army. On Charles's baptism at St Clears
22 Oct 1833 Thomas Johns Weir is decsribed as " Gentleman."
On son John Alexander Weir's marriage cert 3 Dec 1870 at Kenwyn Cornwall as "Luit 1st Foot "
He is at High st St Clears 1841 with wife and family Class: HO107; Piece: 1382; Book: 1; Civil Parish: St Clare; County: Carmarthenshire; Enumeration District: 1; Folio: 7; Page: 5; Line: 11; GSU roll: 464309
1861 Catherine Weir is widowed and living with children at 1 Grove Place, along with her sister Martha Kynaston Class: HO107; Piece: 2466; Folio: 274; Page: 56; GSU roll: 104215-104217
There are also trees for the above.
Hi Sam Swift if you look at reply 3 this is the wrong family :)
The Thomas Weir they are looking for is Married to Mary Ann Hullahan
Rosie
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Florence Gwendoline Waldron birth registration Sept qtr 1891.
She isn't found by me in 1939.
There is a Florence Waldron death Mar qtr 1970. Chelsea. Born 26 August 1891.
There is a probate.
Florence Gwendoline Waldron. Died 25 January 1970 at 2 Dovehouse Street. London.
£954
The dates match.
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Thanks so much for your quick reply, unfortunately this does not seem to be the Thos Weir I am researching!
Do you mean the 68 year old Thos Weir in the death notice is also not the one you are looking for.
The information on address from the probate record matches the newspaper clipping but appears to be the wrong person :)
Rosie
Yes thanks for pointing that out Rosie. I wasn't sure if the original poster was wanting info on this man or the man who died in 1887 aged 73, or in fact the other Thomas Weir who died in 1888 aged 61, who's also buried at Danygraig Cemetery. Reading your post however, you seemed to be implying there's a probate for someone with the right name and right address who is the wrong person - so who is that for ?
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Florence Gwendoline Waldron born 1891
Rootschat thread about the same family.
A lot has been found on here, don't understand how Florence Waldron death can be the wrong one when probate has her full name.
https://beta.GenesReunited.co.za/boards/board/ancestors/thread/1326312?d=desc
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Not Rootschat, Genes Reunited. 😉
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Thanks so much for your quick reply, unfortunately this does not seem to be the Thos Weir I am researching!
Do you mean the 68 year old Thos Weir in the death notice is also not the one you are looking for.
The information on address from the probate record matches the newspaper clipping but appears to be the wrong person :)
Rosie
Yes thanks for pointing that out Rosie. I wasn't sure if the original poster was wanting info on this man or the man who died in 1887 aged 73, or in fact the other Thomas Weir who died in 1888 aged 61, who's also buried at Danygraig Cemetery. Reading your post however, you seemed to be implying there's a probate for someone with the right name and right address who is the wrong person - so who is that for ?
That probate is for the Thomas Weir who was married to Catherine Kynastan
Rosie
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Good find Wilcoxon information on there matches what we have already posted
Rosie :)
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Thank-you all for this added information and all your recent help.
Yes seems Florence died as single lady in 1970.She also did quite a bit of travelling between UK and USA by the looks of it.
She lost her parents at quite a young age then her grandmother so may have had the means to do the travelling once she was old enough.
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Hello again, I did get the digital death cert today for Mary Ann Weir, just says as already known date, name , mentioned she is widow of Weir an army pensioner, and died of heart failure and chronic bronchitis, plus something else i cant decipher!.
Merry Christmas to you all and thanks again for assistance.
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Hello yet again! I tried to order a death cert for Florence G Waldron died 1970 but dont seem able to do it the way I did for Mary Ann Weir, any help with this please?
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That's great news with the death certificate for Mary Ann Weir ;)
Gro.gov uk
Try clicking on order certificate or pdf
Put the name in
District Chelsea
Volume 5 A
Page 1760
And select payment
Not to sure about certificate's from gro.gov but I'm sure someone will correct me if wrong
Rosie
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Mary Ann Weir cert was a digital almost instant and cost 3 pounds, don’t seem to be able to do it for Florence!
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Mary Ann Weir cert was a digital almost instant and cost 3 pounds, don’t seem to be able to do it for Florence!
I can see its not available digital image I think it has to be ordered ?
Rosie
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Hello again folk, Searching through lost paperwork and lost memories i have come across this....
many years ago now I did get a death cert for Florence and when it came back said Florence was born in Wigan 26th August 1891 not Swansea, 23rd Sept 1891 but i discarded it as not mine person, now I am wondering if the birth place was a mistake or is it someone else after all?
Death date is same though?
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Whoops, dont seem to be able to add so will copy details from cert.
Florence Waldron died 25 Jan 1970 at 2 Dovehouse Street Chelsea.
Born 26th August 1891 WIGAN
Occupation Sewing machinist.
Could this be her??
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I can't see any other births in 1891 on the gro.gov records just the one in Swansea does it say who registered the death ?
Rosie
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Whoops, dont seem to be able to add so will copy details from cert.
Florence Waldron died 25 Jan 1970 at 2 Dovehouse Street Chelsea.
Born 26th August 1891 WIGAN
Occupation Sewing machinist.
Could this be her??
Findawill has the same person death details with full name of Florence Gwendoline Waldron.
£1.50. to download. Not instant but may be some clues.
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Kensington and Chelsea, London, England, Electoral Registers, 1889-1970
Florence Waldron was in Dove House St.1969 1970. There are many more people there.
Could be a retirement or nursing home.
Prior to that a Florence Waldron was in 13 Southwell Gardens from 1953.
Nothing more than a name.
There was a Florence M Waldron and Margaret Waldron at 7 Chelsea Square. From 1946 to 1948.
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Thanks again for all your help, I will try and get the will mentioned and let you know results.
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Hello to you all. well I have just received a copy from Findawill. Very interesting and will hopefully be able to add it here.
In the information it says ...the lawful cousin german of the whole blood!
I looked this up and it means a person who is the child of your aunt/uncle and also known as 1st or full cousin.
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Named in probate
Bernard Alfred PREECE1904–1983
BIRTH 12 MAR 1904 • Lugwardine, Herefordshire, England
DEATH 24 JUN 1983 • Eastbourne, Sussex, England
There is a tree on Ancestry
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Parents
Maria Waldron
Robert Preece
They married 21 /11/1886
Derby
Rosie