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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Northumberland => Topic started by: Silverhawk on Tuesday 10 December 24 17:12 GMT (UK)
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Currently researching the family of a friend, but his grandmother is giving me problems. I can't find hide nor hair of her before her marriage and have tried every tip and trick I know to no avail. Hoping a fresh pair of eye might see something I haven't?
She's on the 1921 census under her married name, Florence Urwin, living in Chester le Street. Her age is given as 29 and her birthplace as Byker, Newcastle. By the time of the 1939 register her husband Thomas has died and she's at Chester Moor, employed as a housekeeper by a John Richardson. Three of her kids are with her. Her birthdate given there is 31 Mar 92. She married this John Richardson in 1941. Can't see an appropriate death entry in the indexes at the moment, there are about half a dozen possibles in County Durham alone, but I'm not concerned about this at present. It's going backwards that has me stumped.
Her marriage certificate in 1912 gives her age as 20, so this 1892 birthdate seems to be pretty consistant. She was married in the parish church of Benwell (not sure which church this is, there seems to be three of them in Benwell: St James, St Aidan and St John the Baptist), her address is given as 31 Elm Street (it looked like "Elan Street" at first, but finding no matches on Google with that name I thought the 'an' might be an ornate 'm') and her father, "John Gerrell (deceased)". I know Elm Street used to be on the right hand side of Elswick Road as you're heading west, roughly where Iceland is now.
I've searched the 1911 and 1901 censuses and can find no promising matches, not even something that looks like a maybe. The closest I can see is a family called "Gorrill" living in Jesmond in 1901 and Monkseaton in 1911. That Florence is slightly younger than she should be, not an obstacle. However she's also born in Morecambe, Lancashire and her father is Edward, not John. That pretty much puts a full stop on that avenue. There is nothing promising in the GRO birth index either. I've tried all sorts of spellings and wildcards, eventually reducing the search to "G?r*l". Nada.
If anyone has any ideas, I'd love to hear them.
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I searched freebmd for Gerrell and the only other instance seems to be this marriage.
Marriages Dec 1914
Gerrell Violet M Reed Newcastle T. 10b 145
REED Albert Gerrell Newcastle T. 10b 145
Could she be a sister to Florence. It may be worth splashing out on the certificate to see,if there are no other leads.
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Violet's birth reg shows she was illegitimate. Violet May Gerrell b Dec qtr 1893 Gateshead 10A 925
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I searched freebmd for Gerrell and the only other instance seems to be this marriage.
Marriages Dec 1914
Gerrell Violet M Reed Newcastle T. 10b 145
REED Albert Gerrell Newcastle T. 10b 145
Could she be a sister to Florence. It may be worth splashing out on the certificate to see,if there are no other leads.
I saw this, but can't find Violet on the censuses either. I considered the mother may be unmarried and looked up women with the surname marrying after the birth but before the 1901 census. Zip.
Edited to add: I also did a census lookup for the "Florence Gerrel" who died in Newcastle in 1894 age 29, which would make her born circa 1865. Nothing promising there either.
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Have you tried "J"
Her children
William John 1913, Henry 1917 and Albert 1922 mother's maiden name Jerrell
Lilian 1914, Thomas 1919 mother's maiden name Gerrell
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She was married in the parish church of Benwell (not sure which church this is, there seems to be three of them in Benwell: St James, St Aidan and St John the Baptist), her address is given as 31 Elm Street
Probably nothing to do with anything!
Florence Renwick, 17, was there in 1911
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWMQ-7J4
1901 census, Florence, 8
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XS9S-9MN
Not entirely sure of her birth (probably not the South Shields one in 1891), or what happened to her.
Mum Louisa / Louise may have died in 1914? (Newcastle Evening Chronicle, 10 Nov)
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I was trying the same route
Have you looked at 31 Elm St Benwell in 1911?
Florence Renwick b c1892
Mother Louisa is a widow - however she's also a widow in 1891 before Florence was born. Not finding it easy to find births for Florence or her brothers.
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Mum Louisa / Louise may have died in 1914? (Newcastle Evening Chronicle, 10 Nov)
Renwick, 31 Elm Street, Benwell, on the 8th inst,. Louisa beloved wife of the late Andrew Renwick. Interment Elswick Wednesday. Lift 2.30. All friends kindly invited
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Renwick, 31 Elm Street, Benwell, on the 8th inst,. Louisa beloved wife of the late Andrew Renwick. Interment Elswick Wednesday. Lift 2.30. All friends kindly invited
Well done, Jen.
Could Philip be Philip Curtis Renwick, died Newcastle, Sep qtr 1935, age 50? :-\
Might be a marriage for him in 1920, no obvious birth. There is a possibly illegitimate Philip Curtis birth registration in South Shields in March 1885. Don't know if it might be the same person!
Philip Curtis Renwick is in the Elswick Cemetery index, buried 7 August 1935. Don't think we have a burial register to look at on FamilySearch.
Grave ref is O / 425. Only Boo has the key to the burial graves registers!!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-V3D4-WC7N
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Louisa's son is definitely Phillip Curtis Renwick - he's on electoral registers at 31 Elm St just after WWI. I wondered about Philip Curtis of South Shields as well
There's a Phillip Curtis Lee b the same period in southern England, but he can be followed in later censuses
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There is a nurse child in 1901.
Could Florence have been a nurse child that Louisa decided to adopt? Perhaps Philip as well.
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Trees have his birthday as 27th December 1885
No source of course. But I haven’t looked at them all yet.
Fits with age in 1921
Definitely his marriage in 1920.
https://www.findmypast.co.uk/image-share/9b62a9b1-68c7-4bbc-b2b6-aea72c4a7a9f
Looks like 7 children (Newcastle on Tyne reg, MMN Turner)
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Wow, you've all been busy.
Have you tried "J"
Her children
William John 1913, Henry 1917 and Albert 1922 mother's maiden name Jerrell
Lilian 1914, Thomas 1919 mother's maiden name Gerrell
Yes, sorry, I checked the J spelling. I should've specifically mentioned that. I said in general I'd gone through a lot of different spellings, that was one of them.
As to everything else, I took a quick look myself and can't find any obvious GRO matches for Louisa Renwick's children. Neither can I find a marriage for her and Andrew Renwick. There's nothing that obviously links Louisa beyond living at the same address in different years, except possibly that her daughter Florence is roughly the same age... hmm.
There is a nurse child in 1901.
Could Florence have been a nurse child that Louisa decided to adopt? Perhaps Philip as well.
Interesting. Going back to that Florence Gerrel who died in 1894 for a minute, if she was the younger Florence's mother, younger Florence would've been 2-ish... it's a theory. You think Louisa adopted orphaned children when she could? It would mean younger Florence probably just made up a father's name so everything looked 'right'. Although as I said, I didn't find any likely census entries for older Florence in 1891, so it still looks like something of a dead end at present. But maybe it could lead to something.
Some interesting stuff to tell my friend for sure. I'll look forward to seeing what else you find out. It's more progress than I've made on this for months at any rate. Thanks everyone. :)
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I couldnt resist….the death reg for Florence Gerrel 8 October 1894. Look who notified the death
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Wow.
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Cannot see a birth to match the confinement,
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Who were the witnesses to the 1912 marriage?
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:o Have to admit I wasn't 100% sold on the theory, but now things just got interesting. Looks like we can definitively link Louisa Renwick to the Gerrell family... it's making it more likely now that Florence Renwick in the '01 and '11 censuses is the younger Florence Gerrell, especially as a natural born daughter can't be found. If so, it looks like younger Florence used her grandfather's name for the father's column when she got married. Why does she not have a birth certificate in any name though? I though registration was compulsory by this point?
Thanks very much for that, mckha489 :) Now I want to know what this older Florence's story is. Bunch of mystery women these Gerrells.
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Who were the witnesses to the 1912 marriage?
Samuel John Nichol and Eleanor Ellis, whoever they are. My friend doesn't recognise the names.
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I couldnt resist….the death reg for Florence Gerrel 8 October 1894. Look who notified the death
Amazing mckha, incredible!
Well done.
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There doesn't seem to be a marriage for Andrew Renwick to a Louisa in England or Scotland, so perhaps they weren't married. I am struggling to find her before 1891, as we don't know her surname.
I keep looking at an Andrew PHILIP Renwick who died in 1889 in Wandsworth but moved around for his railway job and doesn't seem to have been married. Could he be the father of Philip?
What brought Louisa from London to Gateshead?
Perhaps DNA may be the way to go with this one!
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I couldnt resist….the death reg for Florence Gerrel 8 October 1894. Look who notified the death
Just adding that the death took place at Beresford Road which was in Byker, 1892 Florence's supposed place of birth.
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Just adding that the death took place at Beresford Road which was in Byker, 1892 Florence's supposed place of birth.
Yes, that clicked with me when I looked the address up. Beresford Road was next to St Michael's church, one of those streets long since demolished for newer housing. Since there was so much success from looking up the occupants of Elm Street, should we do the same for Beresford Road?
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I can’t find it in 1891. There are various articles in the 1892-3-4 editions of Newcastle newspapers referring to houses for sale there, so I think perhaps it didn’t exist in 1891.
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If they were very new houses, would that indicate that the family weren't exactly poor? As far as I know, there were no council houses then. Are there electorial rolls for this period?
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Philip Curtis Renwick is in the Elswick Cemetery index, buried 7 August 1935. Don't think we have a burial register to look at on FamilySearch.
Grave ref is O / 425. Only Boo has the key to the burial graves registers!!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QHV-V3D4-WC7N
Not only Boo, but anyone who uses Rootschat - I shared what I'd found back in 2019
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818277.msçg6801663#msg6801663
and using that I can see that Section O grave 425 is on 3 films (different dates and I haven't sussed out which are consecrated and which are not)
the entry that contains Philip Curtis Renwick's entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-43W2-G?cat=828351&i=672
and the other two are here:
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-33QZ-J?cat=828351&i=504
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CSJN-F9GS-3?cat=828351&i=815
Boo
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Is this possibly Louisa in 1891 census?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJW7-SMM
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Is this possibly Louisa in 1891 census?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJW7-SMM
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Yes that looks like her - I thought that had already been mentioned but maybe not :-\
fiddlerslass mentioned her being in Gateshead
What brought Louisa from London to Gateshead?
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Is this possibly Louisa in 1891 census?
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:WJW7-SMM
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Yes that looks like her - I thought that had already been mentioned but maybe not :-\
fiddlerslass mentioned her being in Gateshead
What brought Louisa from London to Gateshead?
I thought that question was asked as 1901/11 census record pob as London
SS
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Not only Boo, but anyone who uses Rootschat - I shared what I'd found back in 2019
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818277.msçg6801663#msg6801663
and using that I can see that Section O grave 425 is on 3 films (different dates and I haven't sussed out which are consecrated and which are not)
the entry that contains Philip Curtis Renwick's entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-43W2-G?cat=828351&i=672
Wow, thanks Boo. Good to know you are keeping an eye on things!
I don't recognize any of the other names in Philip's grave, never mind.
Thank you again for the "key" to the Elswick graves registers. You really deserve some kind of Rootschat special award for that monumental work, but I'm not sure there is one!
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Not only Boo, but anyone who uses Rootschat - I shared what I'd found back in 2019
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=818277.msçg6801663#msg6801663
and using that I can see that Section O grave 425 is on 3 films (different dates and I haven't sussed out which are consecrated and which are not)
the entry that contains Philip Curtis Renwick's entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-43W2-G?cat=828351&i=672
Wow, thanks Boo. Good to know you are keeping an eye on things!
I don't recognize any of the other names in Philip's grave, never mind.
Thank you again for the "key" to the Elswick graves registers. You really deserve some kind of Rootschat special award for that monumental work, but I'm not sure there is one!
I have given myself a sharp telling off, as I had downloaded Boo’s ‘key’ for future reference then forgot that I’d done so.
I’ll try not to let it happen again :-[
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I didn't know we could download it, but it is certainly very useful to have.
Just mention that in 1891 in Ridley Court in Newcastle there is an Eliz. Gerrol, 26, single, born Norfolk Lowestoft.
Lodging in a household of five female domestic servants, headed up by a 19 year old!
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:HSHS-FPZ
Lowestoft is actually in Suffolk, but anyway it's perhaps kind of plausible that the surname in 1891 is near the mark as it's mainly in Suffolk and Norfolk that I have been able to find a few Gerrells! Not that it leads to Elizabeth (or a Florence) of that age from there.
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I’ve been looking at her.
Also in Gateshead in 1891 is Walter W. GERRELL born Lowestoft. He is a bricklayer
But I haven’t managed to make it work yet.
His mother was Elizabeth GERRELL who married Samuel William Barber KING
So Walter and his sister Hannah :( are sometimes KING
Elizabeth said her father was William Gerrell, a bricklayer.
GERREL, WALTER WILLIAM WRIGHT -
GRO Reference: 1864 M Quarter in MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 04A Page 748
GERREL, HANNAH ELIZABETH -
GRO Reference: 1865 D Quarter in OF MUTFORD AND LOTHINGLAND Volume 04A Page 658
Could Hannah have reinvented herself as Florence? I don’t see her after that 1891 entry.
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Intriguing, mckha!
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Not something I usually do....but I was so consumed with curiosity about this one that I got the pdf of Louisa Renwick's death cert.
This revealed that she was the widow of Andrew Renwick 'a ship captain'.
Her middle name was Beatrice. The informant was her son Philip Renwick.
One other item of interest: the school admission register for Louisa's son Alfred, who was with her in 1891 shows that he was admitted to the school on 13th November 1890 and that his date of birth was 23rd September 1882 (the 1891 census states his birthplace as London St Luke). Residence was the same as in the 1891 census, 16 Snowball Terrace, Gateshead.
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Not something I usually do....but I was so consumed with curiosity about this one that I got the pdf of Louisa Renwick's death cert.
This revealed that she was the widow of Andrew Renwick 'a ship captain'.
That would seem to preclude the Andrew Philip Renwick that was found being her husband, as he was a railway stationmaster. Pity, as the middle name seemed to fit the scenario that was building.
It's a little odd that none of the things she says about herself can be backed up with documentation.
One other item of interest: the school admission register for Louisa's son Alfred, who was with her in 1891 shows that he was admitted to the school on 13th November 1890 and that his date of birth was 23rd September 1882 (the 1891 census states his birthplace as London St Luke). Residence was the same as in the 1891 census, 16 Snowball Terrace, Gateshead.
St Luke's was in the Holborn district. There's 62 matches for Alfreds in that district in the third and fourth quarters of 1882. That's assuming she kept the same first name.
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Find my past has 3 merchant navy records for an Andrew Renwick. Unfortunately I no longer have a subscription so can't see if any are captains.
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A ships captain called Andrew Renwick!
SERIOUS CHASE AGAINST A CAPTAIN. Andrew Renwick, master of the Elizabeth and Ann (Ls.), of this port, was charged with stealing a tarpaulin, of the value of £l, the property of the Great Eastern Railway Company. Mr. Oakley prosecuted for the Company B ...
Published: Saturday 18 March 1882
Newspaper: Lowestoft Journal
County: Suffolk, England
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Find my past has 3 merchant navy records for an Andrew Renwick. Unfortunately I no longer have a subscription so can't see if any are captains.
The record in the "Merchant Navy Crew Lists 1861-1913" section is for an Andrew Renwick born in Sunderland c1845. He's a carpenter on the vessel Khalif, however the dates are August to November 1891. Louisa said on the '91 census she was a widow at that point.
In the "Britain, Merchant Seamen, 1835-1857" section, there's a 21 year old Andrew Renwick from Newcastle. The document has boxes for voyages from 1853 to 1857. In the 1853 box it says:
Out
S 10 - 12
British Empress
Shields
1854 is blank, 1855 says:
Out
AB 3 . 7
Newcastle
of N'Castle
Home
AB 21 . 6
Margaret + Ann
N. Shields
1856 says:
Home
AB 10 - 9
Hotspur
N'Castle
J Akyab 14/3
Dis Antwerp 11/8 (this number is written on the dividing line and hard to read)
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AB 14 - 10
Newcastle
Newcastle
D. Akyab 11/3
The last document is from even earlier, 1845, and just has a list of names and register ticket numbers. There's four Renwicks that have been deliberately grouped together seperate from the rest of the list and headed "Renwick + Renwick"
530147 Renwick Wm Newcastle
558923 Renwick Wm N'castle
374259 Renwick Jas St Helens
352764 Renwick Andw N'castle
Don't know if any of that is of help at all, but there you go.
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A ships captain called Andrew Renwick!
SERIOUS CHASE AGAINST A CAPTAIN. Andrew Renwick, master of the Elizabeth and Ann (Ls.), of this port, was charged with stealing a tarpaulin, of the value of £l, the property of the Great Eastern Railway Company. Mr. Oakley prosecuted for the Company B ...
Published: Saturday 18 March 1882
Newspaper: Lowestoft Journal
County: Suffolk, England
Interesting, Lowestoft comes up again.
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Andrew Renwick, master of the Elizabeth and Ann (Ls.)
There many references to the arrivals and departures of the 'Elizabeth and Ann' under Captain Renwick in the newspapers until about 1883 when they cease as far as I can see.
Added: the earliest newspaper reference I can find is in 1876. he seems to have been sailing mostly up and down the east coast of England and Scotland but sometimes further afield.
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There many references to the arrivals and departures of the 'Elizabeth and Ann' under Captain Renwick in the newspapers until about 1883 when they cease as far as I can see.
There's a record on Ancestry for the death at sea of an Andrew Renwick in 1883. Steamer vessel Said, owned by Adophus P. Harrison. Entry says "Sailed from the Tyne coal-laden for London + not since heard of". It's dated 11 Dec 1883 and Andrew is one of 18 presumed deaths, age 50. However he's not the captain of the ship, only a "2nd Engr". The ship's master is William T. Chicken.
Which site are you using for newspaper searches? I'm using FindMyPast, but am not getting any results like that.
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Info only based on various posts.
1841 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7WF-FNN
Possible 1860 marriage
Marriages Dec 1860
RENWICK Andrew Gateshead 10a 718
Wallace Alice Smith Gateshead 10a 718
1861 census
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:M7F9-VD1
Birth & Deaths
RENWICK, MARY ALICE mmn WALLACE
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 657
RENWICK, MARY ALICE aged 0
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 407
RENWICK, ALICE SMITH aged 33
GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in GATESHEAD Volume 10A Page 387
Does not seem to appear 1871/81 census.
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Added --The birth image of Mary Alice records Andrew's occupation now as "Engine Fitter"
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However he's not the captain of the ship, only a "2nd Engr". The ship's master is William T. Chicken.
Which would fit if he was demoted (and laid off) following the charge of stealing a tarpaulin in 1882
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However he's not the captain of the ship, only a "2nd Engr". The ship's master is William T. Chicken.
Which would fit if he was demoted (and laid off) following the charge of stealing a tarpaulin in 1882
The charge was dismissed. They did not believe he had ‘guilty intent’.
He was still sailing as captain of the Elizabeth and Ann until at least May 1883 according to newspaper reports.
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However he's not the captain of the ship, only a "2nd Engr". The ship's master is William T. Chicken.
Which would fit if he was demoted (and laid off) following the charge of stealing a tarpaulin in 1882
The charge was dismissed. They did not believe he had ‘guilty intent’.
He was still sailing as captain of the Elizabeth and Ann until at least May 1883 according to newspaper reports.
Oh, I couldn’t see an entry for the Elizabeth and Ann after 1882.
Will look again!
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25 th July 1883. Elizabeth & Ann stranded at Johnhaven. Captain Renwick.
November 1883, the captain of the Elizabeth and Ann of Newcastle is Tullly
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Do we think the engineer who died on the Said could be Andrew? The dates appear to line up. The Elizabeth and Ann has a new captain in the November, and Andrew dies in December. Perhaps something else happened which demoted him???
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A bit more information about the Elizabeth and Ann and Captain Andrew Renwick (if indeed he's the one we're looking for)
According to the newspapers the ship's registration number was 70248.
Which leads to this: https://www.tynebuiltships.co.uk/E-Ships/elizabethann1876.html
This reveals that she was built in North Shields in 1875/1876 and that Andrew Renwick was a co-owner with Thomas R R Robson, who in 1871 was described as an engineering draughtsman and in 1881 as a mechanic engineer.
By 1882 she was owned by a John Mitcheson of Newcastle and then was purchased and re-registered in Maryport on 3rd December 1883 by a Wilfrid Hine who was a ship owner and broker of that town.
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More exciting extra info (hopefully)
Going back..
I searched freebmd for Gerrell and the only other instance seems to be this marriage.
Marriages Dec 1914
Gerrell Violet M Reed Newcastle T. 10b 145
REED Albert Gerrell Newcastle T. 10b 145
Violet's birth reg shows she was illegitimate. Violet May Gerrell b Dec qtr 1893 Gateshead 10A 925
A basic transcript of the marriage is on FamilySeach.
It was on 7 October 1914 at South Heaton.
Violet said she was 20 years old, and her father was Thomas Gerrell.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QP7V-CGKH
Were there any children? Possibly not.
In 1939 Violet M Reed is said to be married but is on her own at 17 Danby Gardens, Newcastle.
Date of birth 8 Nov 1893
Likely that Violet had been adopted, but as she was the only Violet May registered in Gateshead in 1893, she might be findable if her names were kept.
So in 1901 living at 64 Avondale Road in Byker is Violet M Clark, age 8, born Durham Gateshead.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSMT-GJJ
Parents Arthur and Matilda, nee Norton. But there seems to be no birth registration for Violet, nor for one of the sons.
In 1911 she is still in Byker with Arthur and Matilda.
Violet May Clark, 17, Milliner, born Gateshead Durham.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWM8-DK1
Anyway, there is a Newcastle school record for her. Raby Street Council Schools (Infants)
Admitted 9.1.99
Violet Clark
Father Arthur
Address 132 Raby St
Date of Birth 8.11.93
So a matching birth date with Violet M Reed in 1939!
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Which son is missing? Norman Arthur on the censuses is registered as Arthur Norman. Alfred has mmn Morton (typo, presumably)
Something doesn't quite add up - 1911 says 5 children, 2 dead. I can find 5 birth registrations - plus "daughter" Violet from the censuses.
One is this child
CLARK, ARTHUR
mmn NORTON
Q1 1890
NEWCASTLE-UPON-TYNE Volume 10B Page 178
Possible death the same quarter
Norman and Alfred are alive in 1911. Baby Irene on the 1901census dies in 1902
The fifth registered birth is
CLARK, MATILDA EVELINE
mmn NORTON
Q2 1893
TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 191
I can't find a death - I did wonder if she was renamed Violet, but although the age is the same, she was born before Violet's October birthdate. Irene's middle name is Matilda - I'd find it odd for them to use it again if the previous Matilda was alive
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Are you thinking Violet is also a daughter of Florence who died 1894?
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Which son is missing? Norman Arthur on the censuses is registered as Arthur Norman. Alfred has mmn Morton (typo, presumably)
OK, I take that one back! Well spotted.
But still there is no birth registration for Violet May Clark, and it looks like she has the same birthday as VM Gerrell / Reed.
Also, I didn't see any convincing sign of of a marriage for her 1911-21
Are you thinking Violet is also a daughter of Florence who died 1894?
I really don't know. It may be a bit of a tight squeeze. But just in case she was, or perhaps a different mother who could be related to Florence.
I was just looking for something to do, really. Sorry!
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The fifth registered birth is
CLARK, MATILDA EVELINE
mmn NORTON
Q2 1893
TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 191
I can't find a death - I did wonder if she was renamed Violet
Death
CLARK, MATILDA EVELINE
Age 0
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 124
Debra :D
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I have now noticed (belatedly!) that Durham Records Online have 4 baptisms for parents Arthur and Matilda Clark.
In Tynemouth
1893 Matilda Eveline, abode 59 Long Row
In Newcastle
1896 Alfred Valentine, 132 Raby St
1897 Arthur Norman, 132 Raby St
1901 Irene Matilda, 64 Avondale Rd
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The fifth registered birth is
CLARK, MATILDA EVELINE
mmn NORTON
Q2 1893
TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 191
I can't find a death - I did wonder if she was renamed Violet
Death
CLARK, MATILDA EVELINE
Age 0
GRO Reference: 1893 S Quarter in TYNEMOUTH Volume 10B Page 124
Debra :D
Would help if I looked in the right district!
Presume they got their living and dead children columns mixed up in 1911
So clearly, despite the censuses, Violet is not their daughter given she was born a few months after Matilda
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Are you thinking Violet is also a daughter of Florence who died 1894?
Go on, you know you want to ;D
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Are you thinking Violet is also a daughter of Florence who died 1894?
Go on, you know you want to ;D
;D
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Section O grave 425 is on 3 films (different dates and I haven't sussed out which are consecrated and which are not)
the entry that contains Philip Curtis Renwick's entry
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3Q9M-CS1L-43W2-G?cat=828351&i=672
Looking at the burials in 1949 and 1958 of the Taylors who are in that grave, it is in consecrated section.
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Merry Christmas to all, have enjoyed this post.
SS
added, Am I right in thinking we still have to discover who Louisa is and son Alfred?
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Absolutely loved reading this post and following all the hard work and sleuthing that the roots chatters have put in!
What a clever lot you are
:)
Chris
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Well done, SS. Excellent.
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Merry Christmas to all, have enjoyed this post.
SS
added, Am I right in thinking we still have to discover who Louisa is and son Alfred?
A merry christmas to you as well, and thank you for that image. :) So, a possible sister in the Bensham area. Makes we wonder even more why Violet was registered and not younger Florence the year before.
Yes, everyone is still donning their deerstalker hats for the Renwicks. I came up with that death at sea for an Andrew Renwick in 1883, but we can't definitively tie it in yet. Louisa's maiden name or indeed when and where they were married is still a mystery.
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No Florence at 54 Worcester Street in 1891 census.
Ocupiers are Thomas & Annie Ferguson, 28 & 29 respectively.He was a van man born Dur Westerton and she was born Dur Haworth.
RG12/4178/104/31
Possibly married Gateshead June q 1885 Annie Stephenson
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Cannot find a birth registration, earlier census or an afterlife post 1871.
1871 census ref 107 61 8
Louisa Beatrice Tucker Servant - Female 21 1850 Dom serv London, Middlesex, England
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