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Title: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Lensmeister on Sunday 08 December 24 19:26 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

I have two Austrian forenames that I cannot fathom out.

This one looks a bit like Kasius but it probably isn't.

Please can someone help

Thanks in advance
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Lensmeister on Sunday 08 December 24 19:29 GMT (UK)
Second one

Really no idea on this one dlarrus
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Zefiro on Sunday 08 December 24 19:40 GMT (UK)
I'd say Plasius, twice
(but you need to check the register to find more of this capital to confirm it is a P)
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: davecapps on Sunday 08 December 24 20:51 GMT (UK)
Yes, Plasius
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Neale1961 on Sunday 08 December 24 20:56 GMT (UK)
You have presented 4 columns (X2) with names in every column.
Which column / name are we supposed to be looking at?
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Lensmeister on Monday 09 December 24 07:21 GMT (UK)
Thanks for the help.

 :)
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: manukarik on Monday 09 December 24 09:03 GMT (UK)
Is Plasius a latinization of the surname Plass?
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Lensmeister on Monday 09 December 24 09:06 GMT (UK)
A contact on the Austrian Family History group on FB she said it looks to be

Blasius

I have no idea what the Latin it is for.


Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: brigidmac on Monday 09 December 24 09:51 GMT (UK)
Are you sure these are forenames not surnames

I agree it could be Pl
B is possible
The first letter is very similar to first letter of word after Ignatious in preceeeding column of second example looks like Doctor to me

The following columns in both examples seem.to have the forenames  Simon and Agnes
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: fiddlerslass on Monday 09 December 24 12:08 GMT (UK)
Blasius

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Blasius
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Zefiro on Monday 09 December 24 20:00 GMT (UK)

The first letter is very similar to first letter of word after Ignatious in preceeeding column of second example looks like Doctor to me


I read this as Ignatius Polzer, vicarius

I've found a vicar with that name.
https://books.google.be/books?id=S2pCAAAAcAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=polzer&f=false

I hope Lensmeister can confirm the parish (or even better: provide a link to this register; I'd like to check for other names starting with this particular capital, although I still think it's a P)


Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Lensmeister on Monday 09 December 24 20:09 GMT (UK)


St. Margarethen ob Toellerberg, Kärnten, Austria

The first one was 1779 and the second 1780
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: fiddlerslass on Monday 09 December 24 20:28 GMT (UK)
Around that date I have found B and P to sometimes be interchangeable for example my Berger family are also written as Perger in parish records.
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Zefiro on Monday 09 December 24 20:43 GMT (UK)
page with birth itself clearly shows Plasius; see on top Patrini (compare with B of Baptizans), in the middle Paulus and on the next page Peter, Phylippus,... The one writing down the births made a difference between his capital B & P.
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/gurk/st-margarethen-ob-toellerberg-marjeta/S43_002-1/?pg=213

However,
index of the births clearly shows Blasius
https://data.matricula-online.eu/de/oesterreich/gurk/st-margarethen-ob-toellerberg-marjeta/S43_020-1/?pg=62

I know the name Blasius exists, and I'm sure the newborns were called Blasius. The scribe just had his own way of writing it with a P instead of a B.

So to answer your initial question: There's twice written Plasius, although it is fair to assume that Blasius was intended.
Title: Re: Two Austrian Names
Post by: Zefiro on Monday 09 December 24 20:47 GMT (UK)
Around that date I have found B and P to sometimes be interchangeable for example my Berger family are also written as Perger in parish records.

Thank you for this useful observation. After all, the difference in pronunciation between B and P is not that big. Something to bear in mind when searching for variations of one particular name.