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Research in Other Countries => New Zealand => New Zealand Completed Requests => Topic started by: Isabel Griggs on Wednesday 04 December 24 09:44 GMT (UK)
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Hello Group Members,
I am wondering if there is a way of finding out if Hamilton James Wiley (mentioned above) travelled back to NZ with anyone of his sons before 1917?
Joseph Orson Luther Wiley 1891 NZ-1959 Utah, USA
Rudolph John Wiley 1898 NZ-1930 Utah, USA
George Veenman Wiley 1900 NZ-1982 Washington, USA
Or if any of the sons travelled back to NZ alone around 1924/25?
Any help greatly appreciated.
Isabel
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Hello
New Zealand passenger lists can be found at the FamilySearch.org website.
[Added: They may not necessarily contain lists of persons travelling from USA. Prudent to also check other spellings of surname - e.g. "wylie" ;)]
Does the following article relate to the WILEY family you seek ? (* see last paragraph )
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT19310117.2.19
~ Lu
Edited to add info.
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Hello Group Members,
I am wondering if there is a way of finding out if Hamilton James Wiley (mentioned above) travelled back to NZ with anyone of his sons around 1924/25?
Isabel
Only just noticed .... you've mentioned in your topic heading that Hamilton James WILEY died in Utah, USA in 1917 ?? Is that year correct ?? Added : see later post re: death notice
[ You've next asked if he'd travelled back to NZ in 1924/25 ?? ]
~ Lu
Edited to add further info / link
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Here is the death notice, published in a New Zealand newspaper, for Hamilton James WILEY - died USA 1917:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT19180117.2.20
Q. So does that make your question about him travelling to NZ in 1924/25, redundant ?
Happy to help if you are needing further information for this family (or other). :) :)
~ Lu
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Hi again
... not sure how much info you already have for this family, so adding following in case it's of interest.
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE11257436
^ Above is link to the NZ Army file for namesake son of H J WILEY - although son's record (and some electoral roll entries and other items) show he was also known as James Hamilton Walter WILEY.
The NZ birth index reveals an 1881 birth registration (however on NZ Army file his d.o.b. is given as
"1 - 6 - 1887 " ) :
This man married as James Hamilton Walter WILEY in NZ in 1917 to Eileen May WILTON. He died in NZ on 21 November 1931 and is buried at Masterton.
~ Lu
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Obituary - James WILEY (aka Hamilton James Walter WILEY ) - d. 1931
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/LDC19311124.2.27
~ Lu
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Hello
New Zealand passenger lists can be found at the FamilySearch.org website.
[Added: They may not necessarily contain lists of persons travelling from USA. Prudent to also check other spellings of surname - e.g. "wylie" ;)]
Does the following article relate to the WILEY family you seek ? (* see last paragraph )
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT19310117.2.19
Thank you, Lucy, appreciate your reply. This is the family I am looking for. I will have a look through that link that you gave me.
Cheers, Isabel
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Hello Group Members,
I am wondering if there is a way of finding out if Hamilton James Wiley (mentioned above) travelled back to NZ with anyone of his sons around 1924/25?
Isabel
Only just noticed .... you've mentioned in your topic heading that Hamilton James WILEY died in Utah, USA in 1917 ?? Is that year correct ?? Added : see later post re: death notice
[ You've next asked if he'd travelled back to NZ in 1924/25 ?? ]
Hi Lucy, thanks for correcting my post. I did change it! Any other information would be greatly appreciated.
Isabel
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Here is the death notice, published in a New Zealand newspaper, for Hamilton James WILEY - died USA 1917:
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/WDT19180117.2.20
Q. So does that make your question about him travelling to NZ in 1924/25, redundant ?
Happy to help if you are needing further information for this family (or other). :) :)
Thanks, Lucy, for the death notice. If you ever come across any information on the sons, I would appreciate the info.
Isabel
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Hi again
... not sure how much info you already have for this family, so adding following in case it's of interest.
https://ndhadeliver.natlib.govt.nz/delivery/DeliveryManagerServlet?dps_pid=IE11257436
^ Above is link to the NZ Army file for namesake son of H J WILEY - although son's record (and some electoral roll entries and other items) show he was also known as James Hamilton Walter WILEY.
The NZ birth index reveals an 1881 birth registration (however on NZ Army file his d.o.b. is given as
"1 - 6 - 1887 " ) :
This man married as James Hamilton Walter WILEY in NZ in 1917 to Eileen May WILTON. He died in NZ on 21 November 1931 and is buried at Masterton.
Thanks, Lucy, for the link and information.
Isabel
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It looks like Hamilton became a US citizen in August 1917, a few months before he died. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-logan-republican/160323908/
In case you haven't seen it, Hamilton's death certificate is here - https://axaemarchives.utah.gov/cgi-bin/indexesresults.cgi?RUNWHAT=IDXFILES&KEYPATH=IDX208420061080
There are mentions of his funeral here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160323985/ and here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160324070/
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It looks like Hamilton became a US citizen in August 1917, a few months before he died. https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-logan-republican/160323908/
In case you haven't seen it, Hamilton's death certificate is here - https://axaemarchives.utah.gov/cgi-bin/indexesresults.cgi?RUNWHAT=IDXFILES&KEYPATH=IDX208420061080
There are mentions of his funeral here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160323985/ and here - https://www.newspapers.com/article/the-journal/160324070/
Much appreciated for the links and information given
Isabel
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Hi Isabel
I've given you links that you can use yourself, to establish if the father and his three sons you've mentioned, arrived in New Zealand.
The "New Zealand Passenger lists" at the familysearch.org website, are rather time-consuming to sift through, and I'm afraid I don't have time to do that for you. [Did look fleetingly at them, but nothing obvious popped up.]
Also, because these NZ Passenger lists were mainly for immigration purposes (recording persons who had arrived here as part of the immigration schemes used by the provincial governments of the colony (NZ) to populate the country), there is unlikely to be very many lists for outward-bound USA.
[Immigrants to NZ came largely from Great Britain, Ireland and Europe. ]
You might like to try USA lists for information on passenger departures. :)
~ Lu
Edited for clarity
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Hello again Isabel
I'm just curious ... ;) ... can you tell us please why the dates of possible travel to NZ you've given for these WILEY men, is significant ??
Why are you wanting travel information, specifically ??
~ Lu
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Hello again Isabel
I'm just curious ... ;) ... can you tell us please why the dates of possible travel to NZ you've given for these WILEY men, is significant ??
Why are you wanting travel information, specifically ??
Hello, thanks for all the information that you have given so far, much appreciated.
A few reasons: I know that I found Hamilton James Wiley travelling with one of his sons to Hawaii, but I can't find the information again 😒
I wondered if they ever came back to NZ. Family stories told that at least one of the sons came back. I think it had something to do with the Mormons, but went back again around 1924/25 or even 1926? If I remember correctly, it was Joseph but now sure.
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Hello, thanks for all the information that you have given so far, much appreciated.
A few reasons: I know that I found Hamilton James Wiley travelling with one of his sons to Hawaii, but I can't find the information again 😒
Reply : Travelling from America ... to Hawaii ... is that what you mean ??
If that's the case, then it's departure records from America that you need to look at. And/or ... entry into Hawaii records. [~ Lu]
I wondered if they ever came back to NZ. Family stories told that at least one of the sons came back. I think it had something to do with the Mormons, but went back again around 1924/25 or even 1926? If I remember correctly, it was Joseph but now sure.
Reply : Again, you are much more likely to find these people in departure and entry passenger lists for America. (As explained earlier, NZ only holds very minimal records for persons arriving here from USA.) [~ Lu]
As already mentioned here earlier, the son Hamilton James (known as "James") served in the NZ Army - WW1, and married and died in NZ. Three of his sisters were also living in NZ by 1931 when brother Rudolph died in USA.
You may get some assistance if you post on the USA board ??
~ Lu
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.... I know that I found Hamilton James Wiley travelling with one of his sons to Hawaii, but I can't find the information again 😒
Hello again
Perhaps you got the information from "Honolulu, Hawaii, US, Ariving and Departure Passenger and Crew Lists" ?? (Records available at ancestry.com website. Pay per view - or your local library or somesuch may have a subscription to that website where you can view records ? )
I don't have a subscription to USA sites, so can't help further ... but I can see 7or 8 index listings (Hawaii) for a " James H. WILEY " (actual years are not shown on index).
[Notes : I note on US census returns, Hamilton James WILEY (bc 1845 - NZ) was only listed as "James" WILEY (had dropped the first name of "Hamilton"). So other records for him may have "James" as a preferred name ?? )
Also, you could try FamilySearch website for USA records.
~ Lu
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There's a Hawaiian passenger list from 1907 that fits Hamilton Wiley. https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QV9Z-MPL5
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For your records (in case you don't already have) >
Wife, Elizabeth K. (of Hamilton James WILEY), arrived per "s.s. Sonoma" from Sydney, Australia, on (looks like ?) 8 May 1907, with a number of her children.
[Source: familysearch.org - Collection: California, Migration and Naturalization for Port of San Francisco, Passenger Lists 1893 - 1953 ]
WILEY :
Elizabeth K - 53
Elizabeth K. - 19
Stella E - 13
Rudolph J - 8
George V - 6
Elizabeth C. - 5
By whom passage paid = Husband/father
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~ Lu
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A snippet about the Wiley family in 1931. [Apologies if this has already been posted]
https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/MS19310117.2.41?end_date=31-12-1932&query=James+wiley&snippet=true&start_date=01-01-1931&type=ARTICLE
Minniehaha.
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Amelia Florence Wiley married John Patrick O'Connor in 1897.
Annie Wiley married Harry Morris in 1903.
Esther Ruth Wiley married James George in 1904.
All in New Zealand.
Minniehaha.