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Title: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: ali. on Friday 29 November 24 16:10 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

What might this place of birth be on the 1851 Census? The one above the red line. This census was taken in Warrington, Lancashire/Cheshire. The other birthplaces beneath his are "Wales", and "Lancashire, Warrington"

One transcription has it as "Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire" which I'm not sure I believe.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you!
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: Pennines on Friday 29 November 24 17:02 GMT (UK)
Have you found this person on other census records please? Or a baptism or marriage?

Just wondering if the birth place is clearer - although I don't expect you would be asking if you had found them previously!
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 29 November 24 17:07 GMT (UK)
Could you please give us the name of the person and the reference, sometimes it has been copied clearer on other sites
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: ali. on Friday 29 November 24 17:13 GMT (UK)
Have you found this person on other census records please? Or a baptism or marriage?

Just wondering if the birth place is clearer - although I don't expect you would be asking if you had found them previously!

Sadly not. His name is Joseph Williamson and only appears to my knowledge in this 1851 census with his wife Mary (from Wales, nee Roberts) and his kids. His approximate date of birth from the census is 1795.

His wife appears on the 1841 census in Warrington (address is "back of brick street") but I've never found him on it, and it seems he dies in 1857 so no more later censuses sadly! He marries in St Elphins, Warrington in 1820, but no birthplace given.

Could you please give us the name of the person and the reference, sometimes it has been copied clearer on other sites

The transcription/reference on Ancestry for the census is here if it helps:

Name   Joseph Williamson
Age   56
Estimated Birth Year   abt 1795
Relation   Head
Spouse's Name   Mary Williamson
Gender   Male
Where born   F??lan, Lancashire, England
Civil parish   Warrington
Town   Warrington
County/Island   Lancashire
Country   England
Registration district   Warrington
Sub-registration district   Warrington
ED, institution, or vessel   1o
Neighbors   View others on page
Household schedule number   91
Piece   2203
Folio   396
Page number   22
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: AlanBoyd on Friday 29 November 24 17:22 GMT (UK)
Could it be “do. Bolton”?
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: AlanBoyd on Friday 29 November 24 17:23 GMT (UK)
FindMyPast have transcribed it as Poulton-le-Fylde.
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: rosie99 on Friday 29 November 24 17:26 GMT (UK)
Have you tried inverting the colour on FindMyPast, Alan could be right with Bolton
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: AlanBoyd on Friday 29 November 24 17:27 GMT (UK)
And thegenealogist has it as Preston.
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: ali. on Friday 29 November 24 18:04 GMT (UK)
I had thought it might have been Bolton as the first letter looks like a B to me, I just couldn't find any record at all of a Joseph Williamson in Bolton or Poulton, but I will check Preston as well. Thanks so much for trying to decipher the unexpectedly tough place name lol.
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: Pennines on Friday 29 November 24 18:30 GMT (UK)
It is dreadful isn't it!

The last letters look a bit like 'dlar' or dlan' at the moment. But I can't think of anywhere in Lancs ending like that.
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: fiddlerslass on Friday 29 November 24 19:34 GMT (UK)
Another vote for Bolton

You can search the gazetteer on Genuki by start or end of word, which can be useful

https://www.genuki.org.uk/gazetteer
Title: Re: Place of Birth on Census
Post by: ljb1125 on Monday 02 December 24 17:04 GMT (UK)
Hi all,

What might this place of birth be on the 1851 Census? The one above the red line. This census was taken in Warrington, Lancashire/Cheshire. The other birthplaces beneath his are "Wales", and "Lancashire, Warrington"

One transcription has it as "Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire" which I'm not sure I believe.
Any help would be much appreciated.
Thank you!

After comparing the 'a' and 'o' in "labourer" I think it may actually be 'Barton' rather than 'Bolton'. The 'a' in "labourer" has the same hard upper stroke on the right-side that it does on the second letter of the place name.