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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Topic started by: Stacey.tree31 on Thursday 28 November 24 15:44 GMT (UK)
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Hello.
I'm trying to help a friend locate their great grandfather.
The only information I have is:
John E O'Neill born 16th August 1908
Married Winifred Ethel Thompson in 1939 Coventry, Warwickshire.
Their daughter is: Margaret O'Neill born 1943 Coventry.
All the family know is that John came over to England from Ireland and they have no idea where he was born.
I have found John after his marriage, just not before. Thank you
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Do they have the 1939 marriage registration, which will give his father's name and occupation?
Will need this to proceed and confirm potential matches.
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At least 45, maybe more John O'Neill births were registered in Ireland in 1908. None of those that immediately pop up seem to have the birthdate specified by OP (16/Aug/1908) - OP could go through one by one looking at birthdates. Even if a match is found, name of father will be needed to fully confirm.
Irishgenealogy.ie (http://Irishgenealogy.ie)
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Is the daughter deceased? We are not allowed to post the names of living people on Rootschat.
I don’t see a birth of that name in Coventry though in 1943.
There is a female birth in Coventry and one of the name you have in Warwick.
Were there any other children born to your couple?
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The only John E. O'Neill's birth I can see, is a John Edward O'Neill born Q/E Sept 1908 in Castletown Registration District.
Oddly this isn't showing on the Irish Genealogy site - but is on the Civil Registration Index for Ireland on Ancestry.
However - as has been said - obtaining John's marriage certificate would be needed really, to confirm his father's name.
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The only John E. O'Neill's birth I can see, is a John Edward O'Neill born Q/E Sept 1908 in Castletown Registration District.
Oddly this isn't showing on the Irish Genealogy site - but is on the Civil Registration Index for Ireland on Ancestry.
That birth is on Irish Genealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01639/1655086a.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01639/1655086a.pdf)
Not born 16th August. I would not put much weight on the initial. Often a confirmation name.
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The only John E. O'Neill's birth I can see, is a John Edward O'Neill born Q/E Sept 1908 in Castletown Registration District.
Oddly this isn't showing on the Irish Genealogy site - but is on the Civil Registration Index for Ireland on Ancestry.
That birth is on Irish Genealogy
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01639/1655086a.pdf (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1908/01639/1655086a.pdf)
...and in 1911 census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Cork/Kilcatherine/Eyeries/378303/
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Great find. Wexflyer - I was looking in the Civil Records on the Irish Genealogy site.
Interesting that the record you found appears to be a copy certificate - with a different birth date - but is in the Church Records. Have I understood that correctly? I have never seen an entry like that before in the Church records.
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Great find. Wexflyer - I was looking in the Civil Records on the Irish Genealogy site.
Interesting that the record you found appears to be a copy certificate - with a different birth date - but is in the Church Records. Have I understood that correctly? I have never seen an entry like that before in the Church records.
It is a civil birth registration. It is just that all the actual images are made available with a URL address which includes "churchrecords". It isn't, they were just lazy in setting up their file structure.
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Thank you everyone. I will take a look at the links provided and also suggest a purchase of marriage certificate.
Very helpful as always
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Thank you Wexflyer for clarifying why the record was where it was!! Also I was confused by the date of birth being different.
Stacey -- the marriage certificate would, as you know, confirm the father's name - and hopefully tally with the birth certificate. Then you can be sure it's the correct John. Unfortunately it will cost though - but on the bright side, the birth cert was free!
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Yes the marriage is essential.
There are these O’Neill/Thompson births around that time
1938 - female, Coventry
1942 - male, Coventry
1943 June quarter - female, Warwick * the one you refer to
1943 December quarter - female, Coventry
The marriage you quote was 1939 , Coventry and the couple can be seen in 1939 register.
It all looks favourable.
The female born 1938, Coventry is also in 1939 register with a different mother.
I asked earlier, were there any O’Neill siblings?