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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: vapcq45 on Wednesday 27 November 24 19:00 GMT (UK)
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Would anyone be able to tell me where the Bn was posted during these years? I do know that the Pte Horace Leonard Adams I'm researching was at St. Peter's Barracks in Jersey abt 1922, definitely in 1924 back to Seaford Barracks abt 1926 and Jersey again in 1929.
Family story is that he was a Cook for Capt Edward Russel (Lord Russell of Liverpool).
To be honest, any information anyone can give me would be great. We are waiting to hear from the NA if his Service Papers are there.
Thank you!
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Have you got him in 1921? The census has a 17 year old Horace Adams with the 1st Battalion, The King's Regiment in Cork.
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Ah, brilliant. I have the 1921 entry listing him but it didn’t tell me where he was. That’s great, thank you!
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If you bring up the 1921 image and click extra (address) you get the address .
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You can go back and do this after initial purchase.
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The Battalion was in Ireland until 1922 and then went to Northern Ireland after partition until 1924. They were in the Middle East for the second half of the decade. It may be that he was following the Captain's posting away from the actual battalion but that would be unusual. Perhaps he was part of the household staff like a batman or he may have transferred to another regiment.
Do you mean Seaford or Seaforth Barracks as the latter was the depot to the Kings Regiment.
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Interesting, thanks Alan. Sorry it was Seaforth Barracks.
Well, he was definitely posted to Jersey around the years above as he met his wife there and 3 of their children were born there, with only the middle son who was born in 1926 at the Seaforth Barracks.
His wife was a Housemaid to Captain Russell. I guess that's how they met. I must find out more about Russell as that might hold the clue.
He was definitely in the 1st Bn Kings (Liverpool) Regiment when he married in 1924 in Jersey.
A mystery!
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Snipped from -
a) Edinburgh Evening News, 20 Jul 1920
b) Liverpool Evening Express, 26 jun 1923
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FYI. Lord Russell of Liverpool authored two excellent WW2 tomes; 1. Scourge of the Swastika, and 2. Knights of Bushido. Around sixty years or so ago, I recall finding them in my grandfather's library and read them cover to cover in approximately 2 weeks. My grandfather was a Master Mariner who served on oil tankers during both wars.
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Very interesting to read about the foot and mouth, might have brought over from Ireland. Saw some more article in BNA.
Lord Russell's story interesting too.
Still don't know why 1st Bn Kings Liverpool Regiment was based in Jersey AND Seaforth Barracks.
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Seaforth Barracks was the depot ie home base where recruits went to and soldiers leaving were discharged from. It's location remained fixed. very often the 3rd Reserve Battalion was based there.
The 1st and 2nd Battalions were the deployed units who moved every few years to new postings..
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Thank you Alan!
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Just been reading the 1st King's War Diaries 2nd Division from January 1919 - they were in Germany for several Months appears to be Cologne - pages around Number 820 of 879 mention a Lt Russell or Lt Col and mention Coy Cooks by Name and Number- the Diaries are hard going. .Gave Up
I have asked on our King's Liverpool Forum if any Members know more about tnem being in Jersey
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Wow, thank you. Horace Leonard Adams. Hopefully there’s a record. He didn’t enlist until 1919/20, after both his parents died of the flu. He had 8 younger siblings who were then scattered, but in later life he brought them together again.
I think I mentioned he married his wife in Jersey in 1924 and family say she was housemaid on Lord Russell’s staff, which I’m guessing is how they met.
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Not sure if it is the same Russell
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One of my Co Administrators of Our King's Liverpool Regt Forum knew this about Jersey and Ireland in that Period
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Ah that's interesting. That some of the 1st remained in Jersey.....good to have the comminding officer's name too, more research!
Not sure that's the same Russell in doc above. He was definitely a Captain around 1924 and I think was a Lt during his time in France. Just thinking, maybe Col Jones went to Ireland and Russell's men were left in Jersey, hence my chap being a cook (or Chef as the family say). Otherwise surely would be odd for a Captain to have his own cook, even if he was a Lord.
I'm hoping his papers say more when we get them later this year.
But thanks so much for all the information you've found, it's brilliant and helps me write up his story.
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Have been sent more on the 1st King's by our Forum Member
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(https://i.postimg.cc/gj4bYWWs/20241201-122314.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Brilliant, thanks Alamo2008!
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(https://i.postimg.cc/DZBNgnHJ/20241202-130427.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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(https://i.postimg.cc/HxxqFrQ4/20241202-130447.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
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Great information, thank you and the timing works in to what the family were thinking.
Can you let me know what a detachment in Jersey might look like, numbers/command?
Thanks again!
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Can you let me know what a detachment in Jersey might look like, numbers/command?
Based on the figures in Alamo's quoted posting above "17 officers and 570 other ranks" it looks like the detachment was a small headquarters and 3 under strength companies, assuming that the establishment of an Infantry battalion in 1919 was still the same as it was in 1914 (which was 30 Officers and 977 men split into 4 rifle companies plus a headquarter company). It is possible that the figures of 17 + 570 represented a slimmed down Regimental headquarters (CO, 2ic, Adjutant, Quartermaster) plus 3 companies each consisting of 3 platoons based on the peacetime establishment. The composition of each company would be an Officer Commanding (major), a Second in Command (Capt) and three platoon commanders (2Lt or Lt). However that supposition would take the number of officers up to 19 so perhaps a couple of platoons were commanded by sergeants or warrant officers, or less likely, a couple of company second in command posts were not filled.