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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Montgomeryshire => Topic started by: Allybee1062 on Thursday 21 November 24 02:05 GMT (UK)
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Hi,
I am researching the Cadwallader (and variant spellings) family who lived in and around Guilsfield, Meifod and Peniarth in the mid to late 1700s and earlier.
I have found the marriage of John Cadwalader to Mary Ellis on the 31st January 1779 at Guilsfield. Both are recorded as being from that parish. I have viewed the image on FindmyPast.
My mother had done alot of research before I joined her. In those days it was all microfiche/microfilm records viewed at our local LDS library and the IGI. In 1995 she employed a researcher from Cheshire to look into the family and discover whatever he could find out. I have copies of the letters to and fro and in one of the letters Mum has sent, she mentions the marriage of "John Cadwallader of Tyr-Y-Mynach and Mary Ellis".
My question is where would she have got this information? I trust her methods and process so feel she must have got this from a film she viewed at the LDS library but why can I not find that same record now? I've searched the LDS catalog via FamilySearch but can only find the FindmyPast image. Any ideas? I would really like to confirm the village that John Cadwallader may have been from.
Alison (from Victoria, Australia)
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My mother had done alot of research before I joined her. In those days it was all microfiche/microfilm records viewed at our local LDS library and the IGI. In 1995 she employed a researcher from Cheshire to look into the family and discover whatever he could find out. I have copies of the letters to and fro and in one of the letters Mum has sent, she mentions the marriage of "John Cadwallader of Tyr-Y-Mynach and Mary Ellis".
My question is where would she have got this information? I trust her methods and process so feel she must have got this from a film she viewed at the LDS library but why can I not find that same record now? I've searched the LDS catalog via FamilySearch but can only find the FindmyPast image. Any ideas? I would really like to confirm the village that John Cadwallader may have been from.
You don't give us any idea of dates for this marriage :)
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Being "from this parish" or "of this parish" simply means that's where the person was when the banns were called. ;)
The phrase offers no clues as to where the person was born.
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In addition to FindMyPast, your mother could have found them in ~
the Montgomeryshire Genealogical Society who have published marriages in booklet form.
Also, there are extensive records produced by Bill Barker on disk. Montgomery Families. See https://freepages.rootsweb.com/~bebbfamilyhistory/genealogy/montfams.htm
I have them somewhere and will have a look for you later, if you'd like.
Gadget
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there's also this
https://arakiel.co.uk/tree/src/9/1/bd07d3c1e34431906b358c9ab19.html
I think someone might have produced it in non-disk form for their own use!
I did the same but for the complete set as my Montgomery ancestors where everywhere :)
Gadget
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Marriage is on FreeREG 31 Jan 1779 St Aelhaiarn ;
No additional info as you say.
+ Childrens bapts;
David 1782
Richard 1784
Oliver 1787
Thomas 1789
William/Henry 23 May 1795, born bapt same day
+ maybe a mistake?;
Mary born 23 Sep 1795, bapt 27 Sep 1795
Some of the bapts have mmn as Ellis
Burials;
Mary 17 Mar 1829 age 75 (1754)
David 29 Jan 1837 age 54
Use soundex option as various spellings of surname
Just transcripts no images.
Trish :)
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Hi,
I am researching the Cadwallader (and variant spellings) family who lived in and around Guilsfield, Meifod and Peniarth in the mid to late 1700s and earlier.
I have found the marriage of John Cadwalader to Mary Ellis on the 31st January 1779 at Guilsfield. Both are recorded as being from that parish. I have viewed the image on FindmyPast.
My mother had done alot of research before I joined her. In those days it was all microfiche/microfilm records viewed at our local LDS library and the IGI. In 1995 she employed a researcher from Cheshire to look into the family and discover whatever he could find out. I have copies of the letters to and fro and in one of the letters Mum has sent, she mentions the marriage of "John Cadwallader of Tyr-Y-Mynach and Mary Ellis".
My question is where would she have got this information? I trust her methods and process so feel she must have got this from a film she viewed at the LDS library but why can I not find that same record now? I've searched the LDS catalog via FamilySearch but can only find the FindmyPast image. Any ideas? I would really like to confirm the village that John Cadwallader may have been from.
Alison (from Victoria, Australia)
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My mistake didnt read properly.
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Tir-y-mynach in the Parish of Guilsfield
https://historicplacenames.rcahmw.gov.uk/placenames/recordedname/1c722675-2d8e-4d71-b3e4-a7a242d84039
Trish - I found it a bit confusing at first so decided to highlight the main points
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Thanks Gadget :)
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I thought the marriage might have been by licence and Alison's mother might have found it in the National Library but I have just checked and it's definitely by banns.
I'll have a look in the Barker info but not until late on today now as Mr G is using my work room for a meeting!
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from what I can see on the map Tyr y Mynach is an area that lies between Guilsfield and Pool Quay to the NE of Guilsfield
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On a modern map:
https://tinyurl.com/y8xr248r
(just NE of Pool Quay - https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/wal/MGY/PoolQuay )
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Hi Alison,
The source is taken from the birth of their first born child and son John Cadwalader bapt. 1 Aug 1779 in Guilsfield.
It reads: "1779, 1 Aug, John son of John Cadwalader of Tirymynych and Mary his wife was baptised".
By the time of their second child David, they had moved to Garth and latter records show they had then moved to Llan.
From what I can see this is the only record that mentions him being from their, which means that the researcher made an assumption that based on the 7 month difference between his marriage and first child he lived at Tirymynych. This of course could be the case, however it could mean he was from somewhere else when he married but had moved to there by the time of his first child.