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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Lancashire => Topic started by: spurdog on Thursday 07 November 24 14:25 GMT (UK)
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Born Earlestown , Lancs 1849.
Second husband to my GGmother Lisette Heaney (Bn Rowley). Absalom appears to have criminal conviction(s). Trail goes cold 1915 for him.
Anyone able to have a peek for me. (Two eyes are better than one). No trace 1921 census, or 1939. Also noted staffordshire and birmingham
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There is a death Q/E June 1915 in Dudley for an Absolom Harper, born c 1848. Have you ruled that one out?
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Interesting, I've chased Harper, harter, hart...Absalom and Absalom and any other variants. fresh eyes were a great help, i have not come across this, many thanks!
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Many moons ago i did find this, but the Corbett (Daughter mentioned), i believe is a different family
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Charlotte Corbett nee HARPER is the wife of Frederick Corbett, they married in June qtr 1898
ADDED She is at the address stated in 1911
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What was Absaloms occupation between prison visits :)
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Is this your man?
Absalom Harter and that he married Lisietta Harvey Heaney - 16 April 1906 at St John, Earlestown.
Absalom - 60, bachelor, Coal Miner. Father - Isaac, Clogger
Lisietta - 45, WIDOW. Father - Joseph Rawley (deceased), Publican
Witnesses: Jervis Clough and May Heaney
Image available on Ancestry.
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On 1851/1861 census records at least - he was born 'Horwich' and did have a father, Isaac.
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bumbleb per your request, you are quite right, he is a clogger on his second marriage 1906. charlotte is harper, not harter...but there are two similar families.
Father Isaac, Mother Mary Green halgh (not proven)
censuses i have=1851, 1861, 1871, 1901, 1911
1896 prosecution, and 05/11/1896 liverpool daily post GBH
1912 at cherry streetNewton in makerfield
1915 85 leigh street newton in makerfield...and there endeth absaloms story
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Has anyone found a death for Lisetta please?
Was she a prisoner in Staffordshire in 1901? If so - she and Absolom would have something in common from their backgrounds!!
I can't find HER death though - as I was wondering if the location may assist with finding Absolom's death with more certainty.
(It would be boring if it went smoothly!)
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Only a thought BUT - marriage in 1906 -
Absalom says that he is a BACHELOR!!!!
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that is another investigation pending. there are a number of entries that are similar, the name being very rare (hence the confusion with Charlotte)- charlottes father was harper, a different family - proven.
I have six Absalom harpers married between 1872 and 1903, one could be a mis-spell. I am suspecting bigamy.
Looking back at notes Greenhalgh is confirmed. (I am just having a tidy up).
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On 1851/1861 census records at least - he was born 'Horwich' and did have a father, Isaac.
also born Horwich in 1911 census
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From LancashirerOPC
Baptism: 8 Apr 1849 Horwich Chapel, Horwich, Lancashire
Absolom Harter - Son of Isaac Harter & Mary
Abode: Horwich
Occupation: Finisher
Source: LDS Film 2113122
His marriage to Lisette is also on there
ADDED He was fined 7s 6d for keeping a dog without a licence in 1911 :)
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GBH, mentioned earlier!!! ::)
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From LancashirerOPC
Baptism: 8 Apr 1849 Horwich Chapel, Horwich, Lancashire
Absolom Harter - Son of Isaac Harter & Mary
Abode: Horwich
Occupation: Finisher
Source: LDS Film 2113122
His marriage to Lisette is also on there
Curious Lancashire OPC?
ADDED He was fined 7s 6d for keeping a dog without a licence in 1911 :)
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GBH, mentioned earlier!!! ::)
In 1868 it looks as though he was summoned for trespassing in pursuit of game, he had a gun with him.
Sorry, that is not helping with finding him or Lisette after 1915
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can you send this article, grist to the mill. hmmm. also 1864, poor law.
1896 was a fine of £14 5 shillings and sixpence, ouch, 5 complainants. a bit nasty this fella
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yup, birth cert is horwich, Not scanned atm. earletown and horwich only 13 miles apart
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Has anyone found a death for Lisetta please?
Was she a prisoner in Staffordshire in 1901? If so - she and Absolom would have something in common from their backgrounds!!
I can't find HER death though - as I was wondering if the location may assist with finding Absolom's death with more certainty.
(It would be boring if it went smoothly!)
i think i have her death 1915 birmingham.
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spurdog - I can't see that death in 1915 for Lisetta in Birmingham. Might you be thinking of the one found for an Absolom in Dudley in 1915?
If she DID die in Birmingham it would tie in with that death found for him in that location.
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sadly a little while ago i had a computer crash, and lost a fair bit of info. i retained a hard copy of my request but not the cert itself. i'll have to sort out and recorder the cert.
You may be right he may have died same time/location.
i shall return tomorrow, in the mean time pennines etc thank you.
Irony she was the widow of a copper, and fell into bad ways maybe by his influence.
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absalom was not a blood relative, so i have only noted his name and a spelling error. It seems this morning i've opened a can of worms.
3-4 harter/harpers. stepfathers and fathers, two+ in dudley, gawd! eeeew!
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I am completely confused now, spurdog - so I am really sorry, but I don't think I can help. It's odd though, that Lisette just seems to disappear.
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Has anyone been able to find
HEANEY, LISSETTA mmn ROWLEY
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 224
in the 1901/11/21 census prior to her marriage in 1929 in Canada.
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added , have found her and 4 siblings in workhouse in 1901 in Stoke on Trent
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Has anyone been able to find
HEANEY, LISSETTA mmn ROWLEY
GRO Reference: 1893 D Quarter in STOKE UPON TRENT Volume 06B Page 224
in the 1901/11/21 census prior to her marriage in 1929 in Canada.
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i have her in 1911 makerfield lancashire
added , have found her and 4 siblings in workhouse in 1901 in Stoke on Trent
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Give me a clue as to her name in 1911 please.
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Give me a clue as to her name in 1911 please.
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Name Lissetta Harry Harter
[Lissetta Harvey Harter]
Age in 1911 51
Estimated Birth Year abt 1860
Relation to Head Wife
Gender Female
Birth Place Tunstall, Lancashire, England
Civil parish Newton in Makerfield
County/Island Lancashire
Country England
Street Address 4 Cherry Street Earlestown Newton Common Lancashire
Marital Status Married
Registration District Number 459
Sub-registration district Newton in Makerfield
ED, institution, or vessel 10
Piece 23111
Household Members (Name) Age Relationship
Absolem Harter
64
Head
Lissetta Harry Harter 51 Wife
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spurdog, I have found the mother, it's her daughter I'm looking for in 1911/21.
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oh, sorry. that now makes sense.
as you show an interest in the daughter are you related?
i now have
absalom harper bn 1847 q4 dudley, marr 1872, died 21/04/1915 (daughter c corbett)
absalom harper bn 1859 q4 dudley, marr 1897, died 11/08/1945 (daughter E cook)
absalom harper bn 1852 q4 dudley, n/t marr cert yet, died 23/10/1902 (dreadful writing for informant/relative)
marriages required
1882 q1
1883 q4
1891 q1
1903 q3
i recall a post office article in lancashire for Lisette (on ancestry, i think), but cannot trace
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looks like lisetta, (daughter) in uk 1901, 1911
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spurdog, couple of things, I have no connection to family, just enjoy researching for others. With regard to your replies it really does help others to give reference numbers of census of people you find. Example your last reply do you have an address for lisetta in 1911.
With regard to Absolom, he was a military man from 31st May 1871- 2nd September 1887. His military on FindMyPast and free to access this weekend,
SS
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many thanks. in all my 20 years i have not been asked for that info, for that i am grateful of your guidance.
are you referring to the registration district etc onwards....on the censuses?
Lisette is in ancestry on my Family tree as an attachment.
i do not have full membership as uk and ireland suffices for me,
would you like any further info on lisette (daugher) aand the censuses?
this is my last message for me today, i've been working on harter/harper about 7 hours
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Absalom in 1915 ?
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yes, got that, cheers bud