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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: Jean003 on Tuesday 05 November 24 08:28 GMT (UK)
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Hi
I am looking for information on the Tynan family from Thomastown, Kilkenny, Ireland.
My 3 x great grandmother was Catherine Tynan. I have no information on her birth or death dates.
From what I have pieced together her father’s name was Kieran Tynan & he was born in 1787.
She married James Strang in 1844 in Kilkenny.
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a few Tynan mention on this site for Thomastown
http://www.irishgenealogy.ie
church records also civil records
also find my past Kryan Tynan death in 1869 different spelling of first name
Cathe Tynan marriage to James Strang also on this site different spelling of first name 17.2.1844
Catherine Tynan baptism 1828 mother Mary Conner, father Kryan Tynan
http://www.findmypast.co.uk
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Catherine Tynan married James Strang in Thomastown, not Kilkenny, on 17-Feb-1844
Address: Lady Well - which is a street in Thomastown village
Link to original Thomastown parish register page:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631965?locale=en#page/162/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631965?locale=en#page/162/mode/1up)
Note that in the parish register, the spelling of the surname varies between Strang and Strange.
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In Griffith's Valuation for Co. Kilkenny, published 1850, James Strang is shown as residing
in Lady's Well St., in the townland of Newtown. He is shown as occupying a house, office and small garden, worth 2-10-0 £-s-d. He was also possessed of an adjacent vacant house worth 1-5-0.
James was renting in turn from John Loughlin, the owner of a corn mill located a few doors away on the same street.
Part of the village of Thomastown extends into the townland of Newtown.
Link for Newtown townland location - Lady's Well St. can be seen on the map.
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/gowran/thomastown/thomastown/newtown/ (https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/gowran/thomastown/thomastown/newtown/)
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Valuation Office records from November 1845 give details of the exact size and state of repair of James' house, e.g. "house badly finished inside".
The house next door in this document is held by Kieran Tynan! Details of that house also provided.
So, James married the girl-next-door - literally!
Link for original record page:
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246854_01012.pdf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246854_01012.pdf)
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James is presumably the James Strange (note spelling), baptized in Thomastown on 12-May-1815, son of James Strange and Anastatia Prendergast.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631964?locale=en#page/34/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631964?locale=en#page/34/mode/1up)
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While the baptism of James in 1815 does not have a specific address, there are baptisms for several other children with the same parents in the parish register, and the baptism of a sister, Mary Strang, on 19-March-1808, does have a specific address, namely Lagan or Legan Street.
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631963#page/351/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631963#page/351/mode/1up)
Legan townland and Legan Castle are located near Thomastown, and presumably Legan/Lagan St. was the street in Thomastown running towards that location.
Link for Legan townland:
https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/gowran/ballylinch/thomastown/legan/ (https://www.townlands.ie/kilkenny/gowran/ballylinch/thomastown/legan/)
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Regarding the baptism of Catherine Tynan on March 30th, 1828, here is a link for the original Thomastown parish register entry:
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631964#page/124/mode/1up (https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000631964#page/124/mode/1up)
Two things to note:
- There is a specific address - Lady Well. The same address as for the marriage in 1844, and valuation office and Griffith's Valuation records.
- If this is the correct Catherine, which it appears to be, then she was only 15 years old at the time of her marriage in 1844.
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The death of Kyran Tynan on 4-Nov-1869 was in Bennettsbridge, Co. Kilkenny, not Thomastown.
As all previous evidence has Kieran in Thomastown village itself this may be a different person, absent some evidence he moved. There were several other Kieran Tynan's in the county - see tythe valuations, etc. If I were OP, I would order this death registration, to see what was his occupation, who was the informant, etc.
Link for Bennettsbridge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennettsbridge (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bennettsbridge)
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A James Strang died in Thomastown SRD in 1865, aged 80. Possibly the father of the second James Strang.
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James Strang and Kieran Tynan also appear in adjacent houses in Lady Well St. in the townland of Newtown, in a valuation office record dated May 1847.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246852_00703.pdf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246852_00703.pdf)
Their names are struck through - as the houses were exempt from the rates as then imposed (needed to be over £5 to be individually listed, until the basis was changed to tax all houses, no matter the valuation).
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I am afraid I have to report that James Strang (the elder?) appears to have been a hardened reprobate.
A report in the Kilkenny Moderator, of 30/3/1839 has him fined 6d by Thomastown Petty Sessions, for having a pig in the street. The report covers from 1833 to 1839, no specific date.
Lenient of course, as was the style of British justice in those days - could have been transported to the Antipodes!
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OP - which child of Catherine Tynan and James Strang do you descend from?
Does his/her marriage registration give details on father's occupation?
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There is yet another Valuation Office record for Lady Well St., dated November, 1848. [All these VO dates are from the NAI website, I have not checked].
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246854_01046.pdf (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/vob/IRE_CENSUS_1821-51_007246854_01046.pdf)
This third record shows several interesting things
- The number of houses and numbering is revised, to match that of the later Griffith's Valuation of 1850.
- James Strang's house is renumbered from lot 3 to 4.
- His house is noted as having been built by him.
- He held by lease (from the owner).
- What had been Kieran Tynan's house is renumbered from lot 4 to 5.
- What had been Kieran Tynan's house is now that of Thomas Moore.
That Kieran Tynan disappears from the property record between May 1847 and November 1848 may be an indication that he died during that period. The alternative possibility is that he moved and was living in someone else's home by 1848.
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James Strang was godfather to Catherine's sister Ann Tynan when she was baptized in 1833.