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General => Armed Forces => World War One => Topic started by: BarbW on Sunday 03 November 24 18:23 GMT (UK)
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I have just found a medal card on Ancestry that is possibly my grandfather. I believe it's a medical Corp but can find no other records. I posted a photo on here of him in army uniform some months ago but nobody was able to identify it. He was killed in a road traffic accident in WW2 and was some kind of cook in the RAF which makes me question the change of occupation from medic to cook. Here is the transcript as you can see a very common name in Wales. TIA.
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48876 Williams went overseas Oct. 1915 & was based on a Hospital Ship.
Discharged March 1919.
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Was Thomas from Bethesda ?
When was he Born ? Do you have his DOB ?
When and where did he Die in WW2
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Just because he was in the RAMC doesn't mean that he was definitely a medic. Indeed he might have a been a cook in the RAMC. The Army Catering Corps was not created until 1941; before that units had to have their own cooks, who would wear the same capbadge as the soldiers who were responsible for carrying out the unit's main role, whether that was the Infantry or medical services.
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Was Thomas from Bethesda ?
When was he Born ? Do you have his DOB ?
When and where did he Die in WW2
Yes he was born in Bethesda on 22 Feb 1898. He was killed on 2 May 1943 in Whitchurch, Shropshire.
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48876 Williams went overseas Oct. 1915 & was based on a Hospital Ship.
Discharged March 1919.
He was the informant and present at his mother's death on 11 Nov 1918 in Penmaenmawr.
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BarbW
The document you posted is not a Medal Card. There is a separate medal card available for the soldier with Service Number 48876.
Is this the uniform post you refer to below:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=885127.0
The cap badge on the photo is not RAMC. How certain are you that this is actually a photo of your grandfather. Do you have other photos for comparison?
Tony
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Just because he was in the RAMC doesn't mean that he was definitely a medic. Indeed he might have a been a cook in the RAMC. The Army Catering Corps was not created until 1941; before that units had to have their own cooks, who would wear the same capbadge as the soldiers who were responsible for carrying out the unit's main role, whether that was the Infantry or medical services.
Thank you.
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BarbW
The document you posted is not a Medal Card. There is a separate medal card available for the soldier with Service Number 48876.
Is this the uniform post you refer to below:
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=885127.0
The cap badge on the photo is not RAMC. How certain are you that this is actually a photo of your grandfather. Do you have other photos for comparison?
Tony
Yes I have a photo of him with my grandmother taken circa 1921. Her daughters both had a copy in their possession as I found out before I came across it last year. The army photo was sent to me about 30 years ago by his son but it was a very blurry copy of a copy until a family member sent me the original last Christmas taken in a photographic studio in Llandudno.
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The man in the photo looks R or R.W. Fusiliers & that man
didn't serve overseas as he's not displaying Medal ribbons.
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Well spotted Jim1
If Thomas was Conscripted aged 18 in 1916 then the RAMC of the same Name he didn't Enlist aged 16 in 1914 and went Overseas and finally on Pension 1919
If he was a Soldier post War
Wouldn't sending for his Service Records post 1920 solve it ?
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Wouldn't sending for his Service Records post 1920 solve it ?
Yes but which one.
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I would suggest only sending for his DOB and Name and see if they find 1920 Army Records and subsequent RAF to 1943 hopefully the RAF Records to Death show when he started and has reference to Previous Service.
The RAMC Record is clearly not him.
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I did send for the RAF record quite recently. Most of it was redacted ie next of kin, names, addresses etc. so I didn't pay much attention to it.
On the Previous Engagement Section it says the following:
"Army Reserve Section "D"
19.03.23 to 18.03.27"
So looks like Medal Card man is not mine. Plus wrong badges etc. Hope I haven't wasted anybodies time, though I still don't know what his uniform was. He married my grandmother in 1921 in Liverpool so the studio photo must be earlier than this when he still lived in Wales.