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Good Evening Fellow Tragics
Just today I tripped over a 1930 Electoral Roll for my Grandparents - Joseph William Thompson and Louisa Beavans Thompson (nee Bertram).
It gives their address as Westfield Lodge, Westgate Rd, Elswick or Arthurs Hill (?).
Anyway it would appears from the Roll that is was in very close proximity to the Nurses Home.
I haven't been able to find any reference to Westfield Lodge at all and presume it may have been demolished but I wonder if those with more ability than me could enlighten me.
Thanks
Chris
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It was probably near the old General Hospital on the north side of Westgte Road. I have a vague memory of it being in that area when I first lived in N/c in the late 60s/early 70s. The hospital is now mainly The
Centre Campus for Aging
https://maps.app.goo.gl/kWNPJHDYdVwaWkqCA
Gadget
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Bottom right hand corner - also shows Ravenswood
https://maps.nls.uk/view/231275787
On the 1939 register it is next 585 Westgate Road. The map adjacent to that posted indicates Westfield House?
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Shown but not named on this 1937 map - which shows a "Nurses Home" to the east (the 1st address on the electoral roll).
https://maps.nls.uk/view/132279989
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I had to go to one of the newer hospitals (Freeman) this afternoon but the staff who I spoke to didn't know of it - not surprising really given the dates. This is where I think it is. A larger zoom from the map that HT links to
https://maps.nls.uk/view/132279989#zoom=6&lat=2450&lon=11819&layers=BT
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Also zoomed in to the area showing North Elswick Hall with the Lodge at South East corner of the grounds on a 1939 map.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/132279986#zoom=5&lat=3764&lon=9408&layers=BT
Gadget
Add - I was told that the Newcastle General was originally the Union Workhouse which is to the east of the Hall on this map.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/132279986#zoom=5&lat=3502&lon=11894&layers=BT
Add2 - https://www.workhouses.org.uk/NewcastleUponTyne/
https://co-curate.ncl.ac.uk/newcastle-general-hospital/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newcastle_General_Hospital
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If you do an address search on the 1939 Register, Westfield Lodge is listed with a map link.
It looks like a private house rather than a nurses home though. However, further along (west oakwood) there is a nursing home, which seems to list a lot of nurses.
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As I understand it (but I may be wrong) the Elec. Roll lists one side of the thoroughfare - which puts the lodge on the south side with the Nurses' Home, Westfield, Westfield Lodge, East Oakwood, West Oakwood. This shows E and W Oakwood
https://maps.nls.uk/view/210271183
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My Reply #4 shows the nurses home to the south of the road. I didn't find mention on any of the maps and other info refer to Westfield Lodge.
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Not all individual houses are named on 6ins to mile maps.
Add - I mention the hospital.and workhouse because the nurses home would be close by.
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If you do an address search on the 1939 Register, Westfield Lodge is listed with a map link.
It looks like a private house rather than a nurses home though. However, further along (west oakwood) there is a nursing home, which seems to list a lot of nurses.
West Oakwood is mentioned on the electoral roll.
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If Chris does an address search on the 1939 register, as I suggested, Westfield Lodge will be shown.
(Sorry we can't give this type of detail on the 1939)
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This doesn't help with the location of Westfield Lodge, but may be of interest. This is a transcript of the beginning of a long article in the 20 December 1930 edition of the Newcastle Evening Chronicle:
2,000 HAPPY GLOOPERS THINK OF OTHERS.
Three £50 Cheques Given To Children's Hospitals.
MEMORABLE GATHERING IN NEWCASTLE.
UNPRECEDENTED scenes of joy, and enthusiasm marked the great Gloopege attended by 2,000 Gloopers in the City Hall, Newcastle, last night, when Uncle Nick led the fun in a gathering which will be a treasured memory by those who took part in it. The evening, was crowned, amid all the rejoicing, in its seasonable thought for the less fortunate, by the presentation of three £50 cheques, subscribed by Gloopers, to children's hospitals. Another big feature was the presentation of Medals of Honour to 200 Gloopers.
Among the list of the the 200 Gloopers who received the Medal of Honour is:
Ruby Thompson, No. 133210, Westfield Lodge, Westgate Road, Newcastle
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On the 1907 map revision Westfield is semi-detatched with South View. Was Westfield Lodge the smaller building behind Westfield, against the road? (These large houses all faced south, away from the road.)
On the edition revised to 1967 South View is still there and Westfield has been much enlarged to become Westfield Club. The smaller building is now named Westfield Cottage.
https://maps.nls.uk/view/188865988
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Here's the area on the biggest scale OS map that I can see on the Edinburgh site
https://maps.nls.uk/view/132268922#zoom=6&lat=9352&lon=12543&layers=BT
I've focused on Ravenswood as that is close by.
Gadget
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I've added a side-by-side view to the map linked by Gadget:
https://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/side-by-side/#zoom=18.6&lat=54.97497&lon=-1.65105&layers=168&right=ESRIWorld
The two semi-detached houses immediately to the west of Ravenswood seem to still be there. The house to the west is labelled South View on MollyC's linked map, while the house to the east seems to be embedded in the Westfield Social Club. Look carefully on the satellite image and you can make out the roofs and the general plan of the two houses.
If you are a streetview user, go to the south end of Auden Grove and look across Westgate Road where you will see the roofs of the two houses with a central stack of chimneys standing out above the two storey flat-roofed Social Club. And if you go into the side lane between the church and the Gulf Western petrol station you can get a side view of South View.
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This is a 50ins scale with Westfield at centre/middle
https://maps.nls.uk/view/231275787#zoom=5&lat=1623&lon=13295&layers=BT
It doesn't really give any more info than the 25 ins one.
My eyes are going squiffy now!!
PS -if you can find it still standing. I can pop up and take a pic ;D
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It is actually a 120 inch (plus a bit) plan, usually referred to as a "ten-foot" plan.
They do show good detail in gardens. It seems as though the roadside wall had once been Hadrian's Wall.
I've been going squiffy looking for a five-foot plan of Newcastle (1:1056), which should be around the 1850s and concluded it is not on NLS national index of town plans. So either it was not published, or NLS does not have a set for some reason.
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'Squiffy eyes' is because I'm on a tiny laptop as my desktop is upstairs!
West/Westgate Road follows the line of Hadrian's Wall, near as damn it. You cn see it on some of the map links and scrolldown a good way to find the city OS map
https://www.trailnamebackstroke.com/hadrians-wall
and a recent find
https://www.exploringgb.co.uk/blog/adrians-wall-discovered-near-newcastle
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The 1908 map at reply #2 identifies "South View, Westfield and Ravenswood" on Westgate Road.
This map, albeit 1896, identifies it as "Westfield House" - https://maps.nls.uk/view/231276132
To the right of "Ravenswood" are an adjoining, unnamed pair - https://maps.nls.uk/view/231276135
which I'm trying to identify - "East and West Oakwood?.
The 1921 Census address sequence reads "Dunholme (Nurses Home), 447 Westgate Road, East Oakwood, Ravenswood Lodge, Ravenswood House, Westfield House, Westfield Lodge, South View".
The 1911 sequence reads "East Oakwood, Oakwood West, Ravenswood, Ravenswood Lodge, Westfield, Southview"
I am plumping for Westfield Lodge and Ravenswood Lodge being the lodges for Westfield House and Ravenswood and sitting on Westgate Road - ideal for watching the trams pass by.
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Following on from HT's walk through~
The 1939 listing is even clearer as it goes (West to East) :
Benwell Grove
Normount Gardens
Westfield Social Club, Westgate Road
Westfield Lodge, Westgate Road
https://maps.nls.uk/view/188865988#zoom=7&lat=5238&lon=3565&layers=BT
The Lodge is labelled Cotage on the map.
Note that Normount Gardens does not adjoin Westgate Road so the Westfield addresses have Westgate Rd as a further identifier.
Gadget
Add - https://maps.app.goo.gl/sR5cTmPU1A72VVGX8
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That 1969 map certainly hit the nail on the head - magic!
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Sorry for the late acknowledgement.
Life has taken me away from this since I posted it.
Thank you all very much for your input. I was born in Gateshead but have lived in Australia since the early 60's hence my knowledge of the area is dismal.
Thanks again
Chris