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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Glamorganshire => Topic started by: pedroparker on Monday 21 October 24 21:05 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I'm having a lot of difficulty tying down and locating some of my Rees family from Llansamlet Swansea.
John Rees b.1837 Llansamlet (married 7/11/1857 llansamlet) to Margaret Sims b.1839 llansamlet - d.1884/5
They had I believe 8 children. All bp in Cwm Salem chapel llansamlet.
I believe John Rees remarried in Bridgend in 1886 to a Mary Ann Williams b. 1858 Ynysmeudwy and had 4 more children from this 2nd marriage. Possibly more.
1st marriage children:
* Margaret b.1859
* William b.1862
* David b.1864
* Gwenny b. 1866
* Hopkin b. 1870 D. 1936 M. 1895 Swansea to Mary Jones
* Elizabeth b. 1872 d.1947 M. 1902 Swansea to John Abraham Thomas
* John b. 1873
* Catherine b.1876
2nd marriage children:
* Mary b. 1896
* David Charles b. 1892
* Samuel b. 1893
* Elvira b. 1899
Apart from Hopkin b. 1870 and Elizabeth b. 1872 I've not managed to locate the others to marriages or past the 1881 census etc.
Any help or information would be great if possible. If anyone could shed any light on these other children then that would be brill
Kind regards and many thanks in advance for any kind researching and help..
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Have you confirmed Margaret's death? www.freebmd.org.uk
Have you checked the children's births on GRO online to determine the mothers maiden name?
https://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/Login.asp
When was the second marriage? He was b 1837 & she was b 1858. He would be 57 when child was b 1892
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Hi CaroleW,
Thanks for your help.
I do have a death certificate with a family member for her but have both 1884 and 1885 in my tree notes, but is definitely one of these years.
I haven't sent for any birth certificates as of yet but will if don't have any luck before hand.
The second marriage we believe was in 1886 in Bridgend. We have a Photo with/from David Charles with family believing he lived in Pontycymmer.
Hope this is of some help?
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Please post full 1901 details for family please
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1911 census with the children from the marriage, but the father is Thomas and over 10 years younger than John.
Thomas 62 b. Pentrechwyth
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XWXJ-M1Q
1881 John 44 b. Llansamlet
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-2S3V
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Thanks Osprey.
That does look like the same children which is confusing and Pentrechwyth we still have family and know well. I need to get to the bottom of this as we know they are family but bits are not quite adding up.
May be possible that he was John Thomas Rees and falsified his age for work or for there not to be such a gap with wife? A shift from spelterman to coal miner wouldn't be unheard of for the area. ::)
I'm open to any evidence or theory to possibly unlock this side to the family. :)
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Marriage 31 July 1924 of David Charles to Elsie May Webber notes him as a rigger living in Mansel Road, Bonymaen, father Thomas Rees (deceased) miner.
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KCYG-V8C
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Thanks again Osprey.
Mansel Road is a 2 minute walk from Pentrechwyth, and I've got the deceased death range of father to work from <marriage 1924.
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Great, just found David Charles Rees and wife in Nash Road Newport 1939 census with children. One child, Margaret married a _ Delve.
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Possible death reg
Gwenny Rees 15 dec qtr 1882 Swansea vol 11a pg 480
1901 census with older children Elizabeth and Thomas E
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XSMX-JPC
1891 for Thomas & Mary in Cwm Road
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:H9K5-S6Z
children Thomas Edward & Elizabeth on the next page
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:H9KR-KMM
1881 census for Thomas with wife Ann, living next door to John & Margaret in Cwm Road
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q2W9-291K
Have you mixed the 2 couples by any chance?
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probate for David Charles Rees of 13 Trafalgar Place, Brynmill, Swansea died 1 Sept 1965 admin to Elsie May Rees, widow.
Death reg
David C Rees 73 sept qtr 1965 Swansea vol 8b pg 588
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Am still drawing blanks on this after trying to connect and sleuthing.
Am focusing efforts on trying to find the 1st marriage children's marriages to see if any of them have father deceased at that date. Maybe this will rule John/Thomas Rees being the same man or not. If the later, it's then working out how both sets of children are my relatives as we have photos of both and know they are from my Gu's (grans) side of the family. ::)
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Thanks Osprey,
Am going to go over it again. There is a possibility of a mix up but am not sure.
Margaret Sims had a sister Ann Sims who married a Thomas Rees b.1849 as you said on 1881 living next door. But as far as I'm aware they only had 4 children;
John b.1872
Hopkin b.1873
Elizabeth b.1876
Thomas Edward b.1880
Happy to be proven wrong to get to the truth though. There are too many Rees :)
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parish entry for first marriage for Thomas
23 Jan 1872 parish church of Llansamlet
Thomas Rees 23 bachelor spelterman Gwindy father John Rees, copperman
Ann Sims 20 spinster Bonymaen father Hopkin Sims, collier
witnesses Harriet Hopkin & Ann Thomas
entry for John & Margaret, same church 7 Nov 1859
John Rees 21 bachelor collier Bonymaen father David Rees, collier
Margaret Sims 18 spinster Bonymaen father Hopkin Sims, collier
witnesses David Howells & Thomas James(?)
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pretty sure it was Thomas Rees who married Mary Williams
Birth reg
David Charles Rees march qtr 1892 Swansea vol 11a pg 978 mmn Williams
He is with with Thomas & Mary on census entries
marriage reg
Thomas Rees june qtr 1890 Swansea vol 11a pg 1279 with Mary Williams on the same page
possible death regs
Ann Rees 44 jan qtr 1887 Swansea vol 11a pg 518
John Rees 45 june qtr 1883 Swansea vol 11a pg 464
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That's great, thanks Osprey.
I think I'm having a moment of Rees brain fog with too many Rees in my head. That does sound more plausible and correct with the dates and maiden names etc. thank you.
I can work and see bit more clearly now... and sleep better tonight. :)
Thomas's 1st marriage 4 children I have information on but John and Margaret's I'm finding difficult to tie down.