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I am seventy, my Mother born in the 1920s, raised in Ireland (Limavady) emigrated to NZ 1949. Her Great Grandfather was John Holmes (1834) of Faughanvale/Eglinton, his marriage to Annie Stewart in 1861 7 November(Irish Gen) says labourer from Killylane, gives his Father's name as Patrick, likely born around 1810. I've never known Patrick's wife's name but family history says it's Amelia, so many Amelia's! She may have been from Burt/Inch Fahan. They are definitely related to McGowan. (Can explain why but too convoluted here) I found someone who might be her, described as Amelia Holmes, in one of these records. 1831-35 but its hard to decipher and there's no general area to go on. Can someone explain what they were, any tips?
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I just googles "exchequer court of equity ireland" and lots of sites/explanations came up. Here's Ancestry's-
This collection includes records from the Bill Books of Exchequer in Ireland relating to individuals involved in court proceedings between the years 1674-1850. The Exchequer Court of Equity was at the very centre of Ireland's legal system and from the mid-17th century held jurisdiction over financial disputes such as titles of land, debts and wills. Surviving records consist mainly of bill books which detai case participants and proceedings.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/collections/62071/?srsltid=AfmBOoo5WaaG6B_zKH6Zv9N89sWgKg764F6zdXZgib0yUwebPy3vhfHx
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If I had to guess I'd say it was child support or some such, a Thomas Holmes is mentioned. It's very scribbly.
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Her Great Grandfather was John Holmes (1834) of Faughanvale/Eglinton, his marriage to Annie Stewart in 1861 7 November(Irish Gen) says labourer from Killylane, gives his Father's name as Patrick, likely born around 1810.
Marriage
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1861/09613/5486559.pdf
John and Annie both from Killylane, civil parish of Lower Cumber. No equivalent townland. Maybe Killennan townland.
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/tirkeeran/cumber-lower/tamnaherin/killennan/
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Killylane townland near Eglinton-
https://www.townlands.ie/londonderry/tirkeeran/faughanvale/faughanvale/killylane/
There was a James Stewart there in Griffith's Valuation.
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Thank you so much Aghadowey. James Stewart married Martha Eakin in 1838, Tullintrain. They were Annie's parents. James was the son of John and Mary Stewart and Martha was the daughter of David Eakin and Isabella Robinson. Our Eakin lines go back all the way back to Bothwell Eakin/Poston Eakins and they are probably the Stewarts of Ballintoy originally. On the Holmes line we match to a family of Cork and there could be some Quakers in there. My Great grandparents lived in Josephine Street alongside a family of Askins. They called each other cousins. Jeremiah the elder (about 1830) married Eliza McGowan, the McGowan link. Eliza died and Jeremiah Snr took his younger children to America where he had a sister. His son Jeremiah the younger remained in Ireland and married Sarah McVicker. In the census of 1901 he has his 'nephew' Thomas Holmes in his care. Other side of family My Great Uncle, Robert Smyth, married Bessie Gibson of Aghadowey. He died in America of TB and Bessie returned to Aghadowey, married again. I was sent a beautiful portrait of Bessie about a year ago by her Granddaughter. Gibsons in your lines?
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this is what it means
i hope this help
Historical Context
This collection includes records from the Bill Books of Exchequer in Ireland relating to individuals involved in court proceedings between the years 1674-1850. The Exchequer Court of Equity was at the very centre of Ireland's legal system and from the mid-17th century held jurisdiction over financial disputes such as titles of land, debts and wills. Surviving records consist mainly of bill books which detai case participants and proceedings.
This Collection
Details available vary but users may find:
Name
Court Date
Spouse
Role in Case
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Shels- I posted that in reply #1 but with as link to the source (Ancestry).
Jo- Bessie was a Gibson of Craiglea and family are still about the area. She married 2nd Adam Shaw in 1921 (surname given as Smith in the church register but Smyth here, you can see her residence as Craiglea)-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1921/09231/5340443.pdf
Here's the first marriage (1914 Philadelphia)-
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:Q299-NQVJ
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Aghadowey, Gibson/Smyth history. I was reunited with her Granddaughter about eighteen months ago. She lives in New Zealand. Her Father, my 1st cousin once removed, was also Robert. He was raised on the Gibson farm until he became a solider. My Smyth Uncle saw him on a bus one day and was so struck by the resemblance to he and his Brothers that he tapped him on the shoulder. My Uncle was so completely embarrassed that he didn't know that this man was his first cousin, returned to Ireland as a toddler, his Father dead and then his Mother had died. All relationships with the Smyths had ceased. My Uncle, recently returned from the War didn't think fast enough to reclaim the relationship. Robert went through WWII much like my Uncle did, injured but survived. He decided to emigrate to New Zealand. His sister's family are in Portstewart.
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Full list of the Irish Court Records here, available on Familysearch, Ancestry and Findmypast
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ireland_Court_Records
You might find out more detail in newspaper reports and also entries in the Dublin Gazette, if you are lucky, from the time. Records of old Irish newspapers might be found on Findmypast's newspaper archive (i.e. the British Newspaper Archive), Hathitrust, and in the Irish Virtual Treasury. Note though coverage of the Dublin Gazette there is still an ongoing project, the version on the British Library Burney 17th and 18th century newspaper collection is more currently complete but only accessible at academic institutions. It is also on Findmypast between 1750-1800 but it is not clear exactly what the coverage is. Note in all cases though that if you think something might be there it may pay to browse manually as the OCR misses a lot of text especially the sort of small text legal cases are reported in the Gazette. But if you do find something mentioned, places and specific family details and relationships may be explained. You may also find other legal records on the Treasury.
https://virtualtreasury.ie/
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/ireland-dublin-gazette-1750-1800
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Thanks melba schmelba, I have my sights set on a Find My Past subscription but will wait out my subs on two other sites first,- money, money money. What I have-some distant DNA links to O'Callaghan Hyde Holmes, Born 1805 in Kinsale. He had emigrated to Quebec but needed to return to Ireland 'to settle an estate' and he died en-route from cholera. This family definitely has Quaker connections, so Find my Past is in my future LOL.
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There will be some free access to Findmypast shortly which may help you. See
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=886619.0
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Full list of the Irish Court Records here, available on Familysearch, Ancestry and Findmypast
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ireland_Court_Records
You might find out more detail in newspaper reports and also entries in the Dublin Gazette, if you are lucky, from the time. Records of old Irish newspapers might be found on Findmypast's newspaper archive (i.e. the British Newspaper Archive), Hathitrust, and in the Irish Virtual Treasury. Note though coverage of the Dublin Gazette there is still an ongoing project, the version on the British Library Burney 17th and 18th century newspaper collection is more currently complete but only accessible at academic institutions. It is also on Findmypast between 1750-1800 but it is not clear exactly what the coverage is. Note in all cases though that if you think something might be there it may pay to browse manually as the OCR misses a lot of text especially the sort of small text legal cases are reported in the Gazette. But if you do find something mentioned, places and specific family details and relationships may be explained. You may also find other legal records on the Treasury.
https://virtualtreasury.ie/
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/ireland-dublin-gazette-1750-1800
A fairly complete run of the Dublin Gazette is freely available on the Oireachtas Library site.
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Full list of the Irish Court Records here, available on Familysearch, Ancestry and Findmypast
https://www.familysearch.org/en/wiki/Ireland_Court_Records
You might find out more detail in newspaper reports and also entries in the Dublin Gazette, if you are lucky, from the time. Records of old Irish newspapers might be found on Findmypast's newspaper archive (i.e. the British Newspaper Archive), Hathitrust, and in the Irish Virtual Treasury. Note though coverage of the Dublin Gazette there is still an ongoing project, the version on the British Library Burney 17th and 18th century newspaper collection is more currently complete but only accessible at academic institutions. It is also on Findmypast between 1750-1800 but it is not clear exactly what the coverage is. Note in all cases though that if you think something might be there it may pay to browse manually as the OCR misses a lot of text especially the sort of small text legal cases are reported in the Gazette. But if you do find something mentioned, places and specific family details and relationships may be explained. You may also find other legal records on the Treasury.
https://virtualtreasury.ie/
https://search.findmypast.co.uk/search-world-records/ireland-dublin-gazette-1750-1800
A fairly complete run of the Dublin Gazette is freely available on the Oireachtas Library site.
Thanks, yes, these are the scans that are used on the Irish Virtual Treasury, which on the Oireachtas Library site go from 1750-1815
https://opac.oireachtas.ie/knowvation/app/consolidatedSearch/#search/v=grid,c=1,q=title%3D%5B%22dublin%20gazette%22%5D%2CqueryType%3D%5B64%5D,sm=s,l=library3_lib%2Clibrary7_lib,a=t (https://opac.oireachtas.ie/knowvation/app/consolidatedSearch/#search/v=grid,c=1,q=title%3D%5B%22dublin%20gazette%22%5D%2CqueryType%3D%5B64%5D,sm=s,l=library3_lib%2Clibrary7_lib,a=t)
But a few years that seem complete are unfortunately almost half illegible as double page spreads were scanned together at the same focal length meaning one side is mostly blurred. But that collection has many years that the British Library Burney Newspaper Collection is missing, although the British Library collection has some much earlier issues going back to 1706, so really you need to consult both sources (I am not sure if the Findmypast collection is one or the other, or another entirely) if you want to be sure you are doing a as complete as you can search :).