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I'm looking for information on Joseph Broad who lived in Ashton in Makerfield in the late 18th century.
One of his children was Luke Broady (my 4 x Great Grandfather) born in 1790 in the same town. (There was a Luke born in 1787, but he died in 1788).
I have found baptism records for 10 other children of a Joseph Broad between 1766 and 1798.
Mary 1766
Betty 1772
Joseph 1773
Sally 1775
William 1779
Hannah 1782
Wm 1784
John 1785
Peter 1789
Sarah 1798
There is a record of Joseph Broad marrying Ellen Heaton in Ashton in Makerfield in 1781.
So were the children born before them to a different Joseph or was he married before? I have seen a Joseph Broad married to an Ellen Baxter in 1755 in the same town, on other family trees.
I have burial records for lots of Broads in St.Thomas churchyard in Ashton in Makerfield too. But I'm just trying to find out if Ellen Heaton was the mother of Luke Broady.
Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you in advance.
Richard McGrorey
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Is surname Broad or Broady as you refer to Luke as Broady. Was that just a typo?
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Hi Richard, These are the records I could find ……
Baptisms of Children of Joseph Broad at St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield
• Thomas - born 16 Mar 1760
• Sarah - born 23 Feb 1763, Burial: 20 May 1763
• Mary - born 24 Jan 1766, Burial: 23 May 1766
• Betty - born 15 May 1772
• Joseph - born 26 Nov 1773
• Sally - born 21 Feb 1775, Burial (Sarah): 7 Nov 1777
• Willam (s/o Joseph) - Burial: 20 Nov 1776 ( baptism not found)
• William - born 21 Mar 1779, Burial: 6 Dec 1780
[BURIAL - 23 May 1780 - Mary Broad, wife of Joseph - St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield]
Continued Baptisms of Children of Joseph Broad at St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield
• Hannah – born 21 Mar 1782
• William - born 14 Feb 1784
• John - born 18 Aug 1785
• Luke - born 6 Oct 1787, Burial: 13 Aug 1788
• Peter - born 16 Mar 1789, Burial: 23 Jan 1790
• Luke - born 25 Jun 1790
[BURIAL - 20 Nov 1791 - Joseph Broad - St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield]
[BURIAL - 4 Dec 1796 – Ellen Broad - St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield]
( I think this Sarah must belong to a different Joseph – perhaps the son named Joseph, born 1773)
• Sarah born 28 May 1798, Burial: 24 May 1799
This is the marriage you refer to.
MARRIAGE 19 Jul 1781 St Oswald, Winwick
Joseph Broade - (X), of this Parish to Ellen Heaton - (X), of this Parish
It does seem a good possibility, as it fits between the burial of Joseph’s first wife, and the birth of Hannah in 1782.
Ashton in Makerfield was originally a chapelry of Winwick, with St Thomas, its chapel. Winwick is only 4 miles from Ashton in Makerfield
https://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Ashton-in-Makerfield/stthomas/index.html
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This is possibly the 1st marriage for Joseph
Wigan, All Saints 10 Oct 1758
Joseph Broady of Ashton and Mary Pennington of Hindley were married in this church by licence this 10th day October 1758 by me, Thomad Edge
This marriage was solomnised between us (bride and groom both made X)
In the presence of Gord. Banks and Ncks. Thomason
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The father Joseph Broad cannot have been born c. 1760 (as in your heading), as this is when his first child was born. His birth was probably more likely c. 1730-1735.
Unfortunately we do not have his age at death on his burial record.
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Is surname Broad or Broady as you refer to Luke as Broady. Was that just a typo?
Joseph was Broad, but Luke was later known as Broady/Broadie
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Thank you Neale1961
I was deliberating whether it was two separate Joseph's but do you think it's the same Joseph, who married again and had children late on in life ?
Is there anything in the Joseph Broad being married to an Ellen Baxter in 1855 that I've seen in another family tree?
I have another two Ellen Broad's buried in St.Thomas's churchyard, as well as the one buried in 1796.
One in 1818 and another in September 1825
Do you think the one buried in 1796 was Ellen Heaton?
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I've just seen Ellen dying in 1818 was the daughter of William and Betty Broad
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I think it is the same Joseph with 2 marriages. First wife Mary, 2nd wife Ellen.
The Ellen Broad burials in 1818 and 1825 were both infants. 1818 daughter of William. 1825 daughter of John
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Thank you
I was just about to edit my comment to say i have just seen the other Ellen's were infants.
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Those 2 infant Ellens that died were obviously named after their grandmother.
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I wonder if Luke moved to Almondbury in Yorkshire, because of his parents dying whilst he was still very young?? (That's where he was married to Mary Booth in 1815).
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I wondered the same thing. Who took over his care at age 6? An older sibling, an aunt or uncle, a grandparent?
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I'd like to think it was family who took care of him and not a workhouse
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Of the records I've got, Luke's first child was called Hannah, so maybe his older sister Hannah, born in 1782, (who married Peter Lunn in 1814 in Wigan) took care of him?... It's a nice thought, but tough on the young girl who would've only been 16 when she was orphaned
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If he had been taken in by the workhouse, he would have been required to stay within "his" parish. Of course this does not stop him from moving to Yorkshire later on.
Indeed, Hannah might have been an "important" sibling for him.
Are there witnesses to his marriage - and do they have any family connection?
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Have just been looking further. I can see now that your Joseph Broad actually had THREE marriages
1st Marriage: 30 Dec 1755 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire
Joseph Broadey - (X), of this Parish
Ellen Baxter - (X), of this Parish
No children from this marriage.
Burial - 12 Feb 1757 St Oswald, Winwick, Lancashire
Ellen Brodey - wife of Joseph Brodey (age 20) Abode: Golborn
I wonder if she died in childbirth - her 1st child?
[That's the first time there's been an address included. Very useful!
https://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/LAN/Golborne]
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2nd marriage: Wigan All Saints 10 Oct 1758
Joseph Broady of Ashton (X) to Mary Pennington of Hindley (X)
Burial - 23 May 1780 - Mary Broad, wife of Joseph
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3rd marriage: 19 Jul 1781 St Oswald, Winwick
Joseph Broade - (X), of this Parish
Ellen Heaton - (X), of this Parish
Burial - 20 Nov 1791 - Joseph Broad
Burial - 4 Dec 1796 – Ellen Broad
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Thanks again.
witness's to Luke's wedding were I think a Thomas Turner and James Eastwood.
So Ellen Baxter died young in Golborne. I suppose there's every chance of her dying in childbirth and I have another location to look for Joseph's birth
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I didn’t find a convincing baptism for Joseph in the general vicinity. But I have not looked extensively. He may have come from a little further afield. I would expect he was born in the late 1720s to early 1730s so that he was 21 or older when he married in 1755.
There was one that I made a note of as a possible
Joseph Brodey
Baptism 4 Nov 1733
Rostherne, Cheshire
Parents - Thomas and Hannah
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Re the above Baptism, the parents were
Thomas Brodey and Hannah Cartwright
Married July 1731 in Rostherne
Hannah died in Feb 1734.
There are quite a few Brodey families in Rostherne at this time.
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Thank you again.
It didn't look like the Broady's/Broadie's/Broad's had much luck with their wives longevity!!!
Rostherne is the next village up from where I live in Knutsford, so I could easily pop over there.
Can I ask how certain you are that he could've been born in Rostherne?
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Can I ask how certain you are that he could've been born in Rostherne?
Not specially certain.
As I said, I had that baptism marked as a possibility - due to date, parents’ names, and because Rostherne is not too far from the Winwick area.
I also said, I had not looked extensively for Joseph’s baptism.
Now that you are back before census records, things become less certain, and more difficult to prove, unless you find a Will that gives names and relationships.
You also have the challenge of the variations in the spelling of the surname Broad / Brodey, etc.
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It didn't look like the Broady's/Broadie's/Broad's had much luck with their wives longevity!!!
There was a time when giving birth to a child, was a very dangerous activity for a woman.
Thankfully modern medicine has changed that.
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Thank you...
It is pretty difficult going back farther than 1841 and I suppose they would need to have something worth leaving behind in a will...
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It didn't look like the Broady's/Broadie's/Broad's had much luck with their wives longevity!!!
There was a time when giving birth to a child, was a very dangerous activity for a woman.
Thankfully modern medicine has changed that.
Absolutely.
Having witnessed three of my children being born, I can understand how difficult it was for the women back then... Although it still is now, it's just we have better technology, techniques and medicine than we did then, to help with any difficulties.
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Hello again Richard. Not sure if you have been looking for more on your Joseph Broady.
I have been looking around at records over the last few days and could not find anything more likely than what I will post below. Of course this does not mean that it is all correct - there maybe records missing, however it’s something you may wish to explore further.
There do seem to be many Broadey families in the Rostherne / Knutsford to Sandbach area, during the 1600s-1700s, which is an easy distance to Winwick and Aston-in-Makerfield.
I think your Joseph, could be the son of this Thomas. The Christian names in Joseph’s family follow fairly closely to this family.
Thomas BRODEY (Famer of Rostherne Mere)
baptised 25 Nov 1715, son of John and Margaret; died 3 Jan 1780
Married in Rostherne 18 July 1731 to Hannah CARTWRIGHT (d. 1734)
Child of Thomas and Hannah
Baptisms In Rostherne and also at Lancashire Non-Conformist Church
• Joseph baptised Nov 1733
Hannah died 26 Feb 1734
Thomas BROADEY (Husbandman of Mere) married 15 Feb 1735 widow Sarah WHITEHEAD (of Millington), [Sarah COTTERELL of Dunham had married James Whitehead of Rostherne in Warrington July 1729.]
Children of Thomas and Sarah
• Sarah 1736
• Thomas bapt 1737
• Betty bapt 1741
• Betty 1744
• William 1747
Burial for Thomas
https://www.findagrave.com/memorial/233400346/thomas-broadey
Wife Sarah died 1784, age 75
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Then in turn I think Thomas, the father of the above family might be the son of John and Margaret as below:-
John BRODY (of Rhostern) married 24 Dec 1698 Middlewich to Margaret BURTON
John died 8 Mar 1724, and Margaret died 15 Nov 1724
Children of John and Margaret bapt in Rostherne
• John 1700 – married 27 Dec 1735 to Mary BLEASE - had a son Joseph born 28 Mar 1736 who died 1815 Rostherne
• Hugh 1702-1786 – 1st married 1723 Macclesfield to Elisabeth GATLEY (d. 1752), and 2nd married 1761 to widow Mary Simpson. - Had a son Joseph born 1732.
• Thomas 1710 - 1712
• Thomas 1715 – 1780 - 1st married Hannah CARTWRIGHT 1731, and 2nd married Sarah WHITEHEAD in 1735
• Margaret 1715 (bapt same day as Thomas)
The above John Broady (father of the family)
Could be bapt 4 Jun 1663 Rostherne, the son of Joseph BROADEY
Family search has lots of images of the original records which are worth viewing for the additional information they contain. That might help with working out the various families.
Also, might be useful exploring the information and links on this site
https://parishmouse.co.uk/cheshire/rostherne-cheshire-family-history-guide/
As you live in the area, it might be useful to see what records the Cheshire Archives hold.
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2nd marriage: Wigan All Saints 10 Oct 1758
Joseph Broady of Ashton (X) to Mary Pennington of Hindley (X)
Lancs OPC
Baptism, 10 Sep 1758, All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire
Ann Pennington
Daughter of Mary Pennington
Abode Hindley
Baptised by Thos. Lever, Curate
Notes: Bastard Child
LANCAT
Lancashire Quarter Sessions
Wigan, Michaelmas 1758
Date: 9 Oct 1758
Hindley. Order for maintenance of Ann, bastard child of Joseph Broad of Ashton, husbandman, and Mary Pennington, singlewoman
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2nd marriage: Wigan All Saints 10 Oct 1758
Joseph Broady of Ashton (X) to Mary Pennington of Hindley (X)
Lancs OPC
Baptism, 10 Sep 1758, All Saints, Hindley, Lancashire
Ann Pennington
Daughter of Mary Pennington
Abode Hindley
Baptised by Thos. Lever, Curate
Notes: Bastard Child
LANCAT
Lancashire Quarter Sessions
Wigan, Michaelmas 1758
Date: 9 Oct 1758
Hindley. Order for maintenance of Ann, bastard child of Joseph Broad of Ashton, husbandman, and Mary Pennington, singlewoman
Thanks Jonwarm
It looks like he married her instead of having to pay maintenance!!!?
Thanks once again Neale1961 I've been away for the weekend so have only just seen this, thank you.
I'm just speculating now, but I wonder if he moved from Rostherne because he was running away from women, after reading what Jonwarm has just posted
I will definitely pay a visit to the graveyard in Rostherne
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Might be of interest re the name Luke...
Marriage, 12 August 1779 St Oswald, Winwick
Luke Bridge - this Parish
Nancy Broade - (X), this Parish
Witness Robert Cross; Thomas Lythgoe
Banns Read 25 Jul 1779, 2nd: 1 Aug 1779, 3rd: 8 Aug 1779
Married by Banns by J Lowe, Curate
Quite a few possible children, including a Joseph.
Burial, 17 April 1826 Ashton Chapel, Ashton in Makerfield
Luke Bridge
Age 75
Abode Edge Green in Ashton
Occupation Farmer
Cause of Death Natural Decay
Buried by Edmund Sibson, Curate of Ashton
Burial 29 March 1841 St Thomas, Ashton in Makerfield, Lancs.
Nancy Bridge, Widow
Died 25 March 1841
Age 83
Abode Edge Green Lane in Ashton
Cause of Death Decline
Buried by Edmund Sibson, Minister of Ashton
Just missed the census, but there is a death reg for her
BRIDGE, NANCY
Age at Death (in years): 83
GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in WIGAN UNION LANCASHIRE Volume 21 Page 607
Could Ann Pennington (1758) and Nancy Broade / Bridge be the same person? :-\
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Death annoucement in the Manchester Courier, 10 April 1841
On the 26th ult., at Edge Green, near Ashton, aged 83 years, Nancy, relict of the late Mr. Luke Bridge, farmer.
Lancs OPC says Nancy died on the 25th! From the parish register, here. Which is it? :-\
https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/3:1:3QS7-L928-9V7P
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Thank you, It could be...Shame she died just before the census.
I've found a possible baptism record for Hannah Cartwright, 15th July 1710 in Rostherne. her father was Henry?
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Could Ann Pennington (1758) and Nancy Broade / Bridge be the same person? :-\
Yes, I think that seems very likely.
I see Nancy/ Ann was living in Edge Green, which was just a mile from her father Thomas Broad who was in Golborne.
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..... but I wonder if he moved from Rostherne because he was running away from women, after reading what Jonwarm has just posted
More likely he moved somewhere he could lease land and start farming.
His father Thomas, and possibly great-grandfather Joseph, seem to have been husbandmen (tenant farmers) at Rostherne Mere.
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I've found a possible baptism record for Hannah Cartwright, 15th July 1710 in Rostherne. her father was Henry?
Yes, I would say that looks possible
The baptism says the father Henry Cartwright of Mere (Meir), and Hannah’s marriage record says she came from Mere.
Burial 7 Nov 1727 Rostherne
Henry Cartwright of Mere - labourer
I think Henry’s wife was named Christian. Her name appears on the baptisms of other children.
Christian Cartwright of Mere (widow) burial 3 Dec 1732.
Could not see a marriage for Henry and Christian.
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Thank you both again.
There's a christening record on ancestry of Henry Cartwright 24th July 1688, in Rostherne, his father was Edward.
Makes him under 40 when he died, is this a possibility?
It's funny how things come back around... with Thomas and Joseph Broady being husbandmen in Rostherne!!
I did a YTS scheme at Home farm in Tatton Park in the early 80's and at the end i was awarded a City and Guilds in Husbandry!! The farm I worked on is literally right next to Rostherne!!!
P.S. I've never worked on a farm since, but still a coincidence that it was so close to where they lived and worked... I moved to Knutsford from Manchester in the mid 70's.
So Luke moved close to Huddersfield, from Ashton in Makerfield, then to Manchester, where generations of my family lived, then my gran moved to Knutsford and we followed!! Uncanny.
Although i have found other ancestors on the same grandmother's side, that moved from Lower Peover, Great Budworth and Antrobus, - which are all very close to Knutsford - to Manchester, back in the 19th century!!
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There's a christening record on ancestry of Henry Cartwright 24th July 1688, in Rostherne, his father was Edward.
Makes him under 40 when he died, is this a possibility?
There is also a Henry Cartwright baptised in 1678 Rostherne, son of Richard.
Difficult to know, which, if either, is correct.
If you can view the original record, to see their place of abode, it may help you decide.
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The 1688 record says he's from Rostherne, I've not been able to see the 1678 record yet, hopefully that say's he was born in Mere